Best colleges for exploring multiple fields? (creative writing, linguistics, computer science) [WA resident, 4.0, 1530, needs full merit ride]

I have never stepped foot on SIU Carbondale’s campus. I have, however, taken a look at some of the data of which schools are producing graduates who go on to earn doctoral degrees: Baccalaureate origins of doctoral recipients. Looking at the data from 2000-2018, I selected Illinois as a place of comparison:

SIU-Carbondale produced the 4th highest number of doctoral recipients in that time frame. But how does the size of the college impact that number? For a rough calculation, I took the number of doctoral recipients and divided it by the number of current undergrads (per College Navigator) to get a rough ratio of how prevalent students thinking (and successfully completing) a doctorate are at a particular school. The schools are listed from highest ratio to lowest.

Illinois Schools # of Doctoral Recipients # of Undergrads Ratio
U. of Chicago 2,880 7,636 0.377
Wheaton 805 2,341 0.344
Northwestern 2,663 8,847 0.301
Knox 344 1,156 0.298
Illinois Wesleyan 403 1,653 0.244
Augustana 390 2,338 0.167
UIUC 5,332 34,779 0.153
SIU-Carbondale 1,174 8,147 0.144
Lake Forest 190 1,661 0.114
Illinois Institute of Technology 336 2,998 0.112
Millikin 193 1,812 0.107
Bradley 435 4,331 0.100
Western Illinois 453 5,394 0.084
Eastern Illinois 514 6,903 0.074
Loyola Chicago 854 11,819 0.072
Northern Illinois 840 11,834 0.071
Illinois State 926 17,674 0.052
U of I - Chicago 1,164 22,279 0.052
Northeastern Illinois 227 4,608 0.049
DePaul 573 14,294 0.040
Southern Illinois-Edwardsville 396 9,967 0.040

To provide a point of comparison, here are the same data with the colleges in the state of Washington:

Washington Schools # of Doctoral Recipients # of Undergrads Ratio
Whitman 573 1,559 0.368
U. of Puget Sound 558 1,866 0.299
Evergreen State 459 1,849 0.248
Pacific Lutheran 321 2,373 0.135
Walla Walla 184 1,402 0.131
U. of Washington - Seattle 3,580 36,201 0.099
Whitworth 226 2,309 0.098
Seattle Pacific 245 2,640 0.093
Gonzaga 386 4,986 0.077
Northwest 52 778 0.067
Seattle 275 4,241 0.065
Western Washington 801 14,019 0.057
Washington State 1,106 24,278 0.046
Eastern Washington 363 8,217 0.044
Central Washington 279 9,566 0.029
Saint Martin’s 30 1,358 0.022
City U. of Seattle 20 1,145 0.017
U. of Washington - Tacoma 26 4,327 0.006
U. of Washington - Bothell 14 5,454 0.003

So SIU’s ratio is quite close to UIUC’s (the state flagship) and is in the same range as that of smaller liberal arts schools that (in my opinion) punch well above their national reputation’s weight. And its ratio is much higher than at other schools that are also well-respected and mentioned much more frequently on CC. And when looking at the ratios of Illinois schools as compared to Washington schools, I think that the comparison is very favorable to the ones in Illinois.

In relation to SIU-Carbondale, it offers through a doctorate in CS, so it should have more than sufficient depth in the department to satisfy OP’s interest. It also offers a Master’s (6 recipients in the most recent year of IPEDS data) along with a Bachelor’s in linguistics, so there should be adequate strength there, too. There were 9 students in the most recent year of IPEDS data that got an MFA in Creative Writing, so the undergrad program should also work for OP. And it offers a full ride for which I think that OP would be extremely competitive.

I stand by my suggestion of SIU-Carbondale for OP to investigate.

And in looking at price totals, right now SIU-Carbondale would be $18,366 for tuition & fees plus room & board based on 23-24 costs (after the guaranteed level of merit aid) and OP would be eligible to compete for the full ride.

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