Cut-n-paste from post#39:
Your dad left VA 18-20 years ago, and you think the state of VA is going to grant u in-state status on the premise that he INTENDS to move to VA in 3-5 years, after u have ALREADY started college? Anyone can intend anything.
@blossom Understood!
@GMTplus7 Well the domicile officer said that my dad needs to provide relevant documentation to prove his intent to return to VA after his job ends so if my dad does provide evidence i MAY qualify (not saying I definitely will) especially since my dad has already established residency in VA over 20 years ago, the question here isn’t whether my dad will be able to get residency its whether my dad’s residency will be re-established as I poster on here pointed out before.
Pink- said with love and respect- move on.
Do your diligent best to provide documentation (has your dad paid dues to a Virginia club or social/religious organization, has he purchased cemetery plots, does he pay rent on a storage unit in Virginia with family heirlooms in it, does he still contribute to the United Way in Virginia and/or participate in the annual community chest fund drive in his former town, a copy of his absentee voter registration from Virginia) and then move on.
Don’t invest any more love and attention to the subject of being in-state for Virginia. There is a very small chance you will be able to provide enough and the right kind of documentation to prove “intent” and a very large chance that you won’t.
You seem to be locked in a “he says he’s moving back which means I’ll be granted in-state status” fugue which is out of touch with reality. So let it go for now. You’ll do the xeroxing and the signing of the afadavits and the notarized whatnots when you need to. But you also need to then let it go and recognize that this is unlikely to go your way. Your family has been gone from Virginia for a very long time, and absent a bunch of cancelled checks and receipts which show that you’ve begun the process of moving back to Virginia citizenship to re-assume your old life, like I said… unlikely.
I also talked to my guidance counselor regarding the NPCs and what not. She said the values I’m getting are accurate if we wrote the exact values that are stated on my dad’s tax return in the correct boxes - and my dad double checked this weekend so we’ve got it sorted out. And she said that since my dad reports his expenses as total wages etc (on line 7) that the expenses that are covered aren’t untaxed benefits/income as my dad’s income (as reported on line 7) - the foreign earned income exclusion is the amount of my dad’s salary that is taxed by the U.S.Plus, my dad has got very basic assets (basically only cash and savings nothing else applies) so I shouldn’t worry about colleges giving me financial packages that are off from the values the NPCs come up with.
So to sum it up: the NPC values I’ve been getting are accurate since my dad’s employer includes benefits as total income and that is how my dad has been reporting it on his tax forms all these years + it’s taxed so it doesn’t qualify as untaxed benefits/income (which the NPC references to a line on the tax return where the value is 0 for us).
What I relief! But I will still wait for replies from each school as I need to know whether they’ll add back in the foreign earned income exclusion which will bring up my dad’s AGI by A LOT.
@blossom I will admit that getting instate tuition for VA schools was really important to me but now that I know the NPC values are accurate (or at least as accurate as they can be) and that my dad will pay around the same amount ($19K) IS & OOS for UVA if I get accepted and choose to attend. So I honestly don’t care as much anymore!
And anyways, I’ve crossed W&M off my list as it’s not affordable. So UVA is likely the only the VA school I’ll be applying to.
But won’t the timing of your dad’s re-establishment of VA residency occur AFTER your enrollment date?
No public university in America is going to count u as a resident on the promise your parents will move to the state YEARS AFTER u have enrolled.
Please tell us…what is in that VA code that leads you to believe a family who hasn’t resided in VA for MANY years would be eligible for instate tuition?
Re: what your GC said about the NPCs. They are an estimate for ALL who complete them. They are not a final financial aid award. The only REAL financial aid awards that matter are the ones you eventually get from the colleges after all of your forms are completed with 2014 tax returns completed.
So…while it’s nice that your GC says the numbers are accurate, that GC has no way to know what your actual award will be.
So, your dad has been filing a Virginia resident state income tax return and paying taxes in Virginia every year since he left Virginia and started working abroad 20 years ago?
Is the $56k of private school tuition paid by your dad’s employer included on line 7?
@thumper1 I am aware that the values that I got are rough estimates.
@Madison85 Yes, but they’re paying much less of my school fees since my new school’s fees are quite a lot higher than my old ones - my dad’s paying around 60% of my $22K fees this year and next year so our expenses that are paid for the employer will go down.
Nope, he doesn’t pay state taxes. But my dad somehow still thinks that I WILL get instate tuition. I will definitely show him the email I received from the Domicile officer and the Code of Virgina.
Lets not talk about residency anymore. Okay? I know what I need to qualify.My dad, the GC and I will look over the Code of Virginia to see whether I’m eligible.
OK, but no one on CC thinks you will get it. No one.
Your dad has not paid taxes in Virginia in 20 years - you do not deserve the benefit of instate tuition.
But, please come back on CC to update this thread with the results of your effort so that others may learn from you.
I don’t think OP will get Virginia residency, but it has nothing to do with the length of time his father has been out of state, or lack of paying state taxes. It has to do with the simple inability to prove, by clear and convincing evidence, that it was always his intention to maintain his Virginia residency and return after this work assignment ended, no matter how long that took.
For example, if his father were to accept a written job offer in Virginia today, that would probably be clear and convincing evidence and would be enough to find the Virginia residency was maintained uninterrupted the entire time.
^^Really? After 20 years? And no filing of resident tax returns during that time period? This, I’d like to see!
I have no doubt your father will be able to become a VA resident again-- anyone can move to a state and become a resident.
He just won’t be able to achieve it in a timeframe suitable for u to enjoy in-state status.
http://www.virginia.edu/provost/vastatus/faq.html
See the question * May I leave the state temporarily?*
Your father does not file VA resident income tax returns.
These questions come up all the time when elderly people move to a state with lower estate tax rates than the one they’ve lived in. They die- and both states claim that the estate owes taxes. The person can only have been a resident of one state at the time of death (even if they died elsewhere) and there is a pretty cut and dried checklist to prove “intent”. We are all enabling the OP by pretending that this will be a tough case for UVA to handle.
Other than a vague “wish” to move back to Virginia at some point in the future, there doesn’t seem to be any evidence (at least of the paper and cancelled check variety) to support the claim that this family has Virginia residency. Property taxes, voter registration, grand list/taxes paid on a car which is insured in Virginia, state income taxes, even receipts from a rented storage locker with a grand piano in it can be used to build a case for “intent”.
So- moving on.
UPDATE
I’ve gotten replies from UVA, JHU, Tufts, Wellesley, BC but still haven’t gotten a reply from Georgetown. But anyways, they all pretty much said the same thing. If my dad adds on the expenses the company covers onto his total income on Line 7, that income and his work salary are taxed income so they won’t count it as untaxed income. Secondly, they won’t add back the foreign earned income exclusion to my dad’s AGI but they will count it as other income and they said that there is a spot specifically for foreign income exclusion under ‘‘other income’’ on the CSS profile form. BC and tufts said that the NPC values I’m getting should be pretty accurate since my dad’s other finances are very basic.I did fill them in with the different income and got a value around $20K for both and the rest were in the 12K (JHU, Wellesley) -20K range (thank god I didn’t get the 40K value I did before!) - my dad said he can pay that much although that is the MAX he can pay, its a relief nonetheless!
I just have one more question - do colleges include the pell grant in grant aid? Or can I use the pell grant to cover the loan component of financial aid?
How does one qualify for a full Pell Grant with a 100k income?