17 credits too much for incoming freshman?

<p>I originally signed up for 14 credits my first semester, but my schedule looked way too easy, so I signed up for COMM107. These are the classes I signed up for, along with a 1 credit class for my honors program:</p>

<p>COMM107
ECON201
MATH113
BMGT110F
BMGT289D</p>

<p>Is 17 credits too much? If I drop the COMM class I would only have one class (Math) on Wednesdays and only a discussion class and Math on Fridays. </p>

<p>Have any of you/your children taken these classes? What was their experience like? Any feedback is greatly appreciated. Thanks!</p>

<p>Haha funny you should ask this! I was thinking the same thing! I am an incoming freshman, and I have 17 credits too, and am in the Honors College! ;)</p>

<p>Best advice ever…Take fewer your first semester. Wait until you really know how you handle the rigor and ‘differentness’ of college before you think your schedule is too easy. The days you don’t have class, you will need to work on projects, papers and such. You also need to have time for laundry, developing yourself outside of class (charity work, research, etc.) Not to mention some will need/should get a job to earn money and have something on your resume besides ‘I went to college, so pay me’.</p>

<p>MarylandBro, your schedule should be fine. My daughter, a finance and accounting major, had 17 credits as a freshman honors student and was fine. Even with 17 credits she had a very full social life and a 3.9 GPA.</p>

<p>MarylandBro, just to follow up… For some people 17 credits might be too much. But, if you have been admitted to the honors college, I’m guessing that you are already a hard worker. I also see that you are taking business classes. Like I said in post above, my daughter did the same. She honestly found it to be less demanding than her high school schedule. Everyone is different though. Talk to your advisor and get his/her opinion. Good luck!</p>

<p>Thank you for the responses @Torveaux and @terpmom7 . I think I’ll keep my schedule with 17 credits and during the schedule adjustment period if I find it too demanding I’ll just drop one of my classes, probably the I-Series one. By the way, when do we need to have our books by? </p>

<p>Just a suggestion. There are several classes that can fulfill your oral communications gened requirement. I took INAG110, and it’s much easier than comm107. A lot less work.</p>

<p>@cohen2000 thanks for the reply. Can you give me some details of what the class was like? Why is it easier than COMM107? The two classes seem really similar. </p>

<p>@MarylandBro FYI, here is where you can see all the options that are available for Fall 2014 (every semester does give a few diff options) that meet the oral comm requirement <a href=“https://ntst.umd.edu/soc/gen-ed/201408/FSOC”>https://ntst.umd.edu/soc/gen-ed/201408/FSOC&lt;/a&gt; All oral comm classes are going to have similar elements but just different approaches, some more interesting than others.</p>

<p>Comm107 is a crap shoot - son’s friend had it and was an easy A with no work. Son took following semester and had grad student that gave a LOT of work and he had to work hard for A… </p>

<p>As @terpmom7 said, 17 credits should theoretically not be a prob for honors college students but it really depends on the individual, the classes they sign up for , and how “distracted” they get in getting adjusted to college life. Son was heavily advised to not take the courseload he did (all engineering, science and math courses) the first semester (also 17) because “too intense” but that’s his wheelhouse so it was easy for him to do well in those classes that would have meant disaster for a different student. So, it really depends on what your areas of strength/interest are and how easily you are distracted. If you just make it a habit to get your work done before going out (very easy to put it off or skip entirely since no one checks it in college the way they do in high school), you should be fine. </p>

<p>And if you you decide to drop a class, I wouldn’t recommend dropping the I-series as they tend to be more interesting. </p>

<p>As for when you need books, well that’s a personal preference. As a first-timer, you will likely want to reserve used books at bookholders.com kinda thing ahead of time (but wait because most people haven’t turned in books for trade from spring, so selection will be limited now). You reserve ahead of time and pick up at location in College Park which is literally across Route 1, so very convenient. However, you can wait til you get to school. After your first semester, you will be more comfortable with the idea of waiting til first day of class to see what prof recommends and possibly sharing books(and therefore splitting expense) with friends. Son bought books in advance at my insistence for first semester but hasn’t since…</p>

<p>@MarylandBro maryversity is correct in that comm107 is a crap shoot. Many of my friends had easy professors and some did not. There are many people who teach it and when you sign up it usually says instructor TBA. </p>

<p>I took INAG110 last semester with Anthony Pagnotti (If you’re from Maryland, you might have seen him anchoring for Fox Baltimore). He was a really great professor, reasonable with grading and the workload. He described the difference between the two classes as COMM107 being more research based, and INAG110 being more practical. We had three major speeches: informative, persuasive, and business speech (we promoted a corporation or organization). He was very flexible with the topics we chose. I just remembered that they are expanding INAG110 in the future with more professors, so I don’t know how they will teach, but if you can get into Pagnotti, take him.</p>

<p>Most of my engineering colleagues took THET285 and really enjoyed it, but I don’t know the names of the instructors.</p>

<p>Something else to consider when trying to decide how heavy your course load is to take into account not just number of credits but number of classes…my son’s first semester math class was 4 credits (calc3), so he actually took less (quantity of) classes than what you are planning for the same 17 credits…</p>

<p>The reason I’m saying it makes a difference is because every teacher has their own style of teaching and own idea of appropriate workload. So you need to consider that, if you have a problem, that’s one more teacher you have to coordinate your time trying to see during their office hours.</p>

<p>Some one credit classes can be far tougher than you would expect not because of difficulty but time commitment. For example, my son had to take a one credit class (matlab) to go with the math but it was only half a semester. He has taken one credit classes that were the entire semester that involved far more work than he thought it was worth for one credit…I think @da6onet once gave a breakdown of hours per credit on another thread…?</p>

<p>Echoing the number of classes, I had 6 classes at 14 credits last fall and 4 classes at 15 in the spring. While the average weekly workload was about the same, come midterms and especially toward finals, a convergence of all those semester projects and last hw assignments happens that can be quite tasking even for the most organized person.</p>

<p>As @maryversity‌ alluded to, I have a conversion for credit hours to weekly workload budget.
For a regular 15 week semester, 1 cr = 3x1= 3 weekly hours
For a 5 week summer session, 1 cr = 3x3 = 9 weekly hours
For a 3 week winter session, 1 cr = 3x5 = 15 weekly hours</p>

<p>For example, if I were going to sign up for 17 credits, I would say I need to set aside 51 hours per week for school. For simplicity, let’s say 17 credits is made up from 5 classes, each with 3x1 hour lectures each week and maybe one of those classes has a 2x1 hour discussion each week; then time just sitting in a classroom is (5x3x1 + 1x2x1) = 17 hours out of the 51 hour budget. So 34 hours should be set aside outside of the classroom each week to handle reading, problem sets, projects, etc. That may seem like a lot, but if you treat school like a 9am-5pm job, you’ll generally find chunks of time before/between/after classes each day to find a quiet place to do your reading/problems/etc. </p>

<p>I should note that this formula was originally designed for an engineering/physics curriculum, works only for semester systems (sorry quarter/trimester/block programs people), and also does not count time in labs as counting toward overall budget. However, I have found that it works reasonably well for courses in the humanities, social sciences, and literature classes (art/music on the other hand…), you may just need to change the scaling factor from 3 to 2 or 2.5.</p>

<p>The following is unsolicited advice or anecdotal evidence with a sample size of 1.
I have noticed a pattern with the ebb and flow of workloads. The first 1-1.5 month(s) of classes each semester tends to be the breakneck pacing until you get to your first midterm exam and then it tends to fall into a more relaxed/predictable cadence, ramping up slightly for midterms/major project due dates. As the semester closes, the work converges as I stated earlier and you generally have a final push the week prior to final exams.</p>

<p>The general advice I give to incoming freshmen STEM majors*:
-Don’t take more than 15 credits
-Don’t take more than 3 STEM classes
-Don’t take more than 1 lab
*There are smartypants people that have no problem crushing heavier loads out of the gate, but they are the top 10% exception.</p>

<p>For econ/business majors I do not know enough about all the classes to make a good comparison.
I have taken ECON201 and COMM107 as part of my general education requirements.
-I found the economics class to average around 8 hours per week out of the 12 budgeted (4 in class, 4 out).
-The communications class had less formally assigned work, but I tended to put a lot of effort into my presentations, so on average it was probably 5 hours per week out of 9 budgeted (3 in class, 2 out).
-The lowest math course I can compare with MATH113 would be MATH141; I generally spent 12 hours per week out of 12 budgeted (5 in class, 7 out), more during test weeks.</p>

<p>I should probably add that with the above budgeting system I have managed to also juggle the following while attending school, not all at the same time, but a surprising amount of overlap:
-Stay at home dad (0-15 months old, ~50 hours per week, aka wife’s work schedule)
-Still a parent, now just with 8:00am-5:30pm daycare M-F (saves infinite sanity)
-2 part time jobs (~added to 20 hours per week)
-1 internship (10-15 hours per week during classes)
-2 cars, 2 cats, 1 fixer-upper house (chores/honey-do ~5 hours per week)
-Kept marriage intact (fractional minutes spent on this per week, wife will be happier once I’m out of school!)
-2 volunteer engineering projects (5-10 hours per week)
-1 volunteer programming project (8-20 hours per week)
-ExComm/Officer in 2 honor societies (5 hours per week)
-Sleep (5-7 hours per school night depending on workload, 8-9 on weekends)
-Procrastination/screwing around on phone (easily 20+ hours per week, maybe 50+)</p>

<p>I average around 60-65 hours per week with all time commitments added up (90 when I was a stay at home parent, yes that was tough). While I’m taking an extra year to graduate, I’m still going to end up with 150 credits in 5 years (some of that due to changing majors) plus whatever other jobs/projects I pick up while taking classes. So is taking 17 credits freshmen year doable? I’d say sure.</p>

<p>Wow, you have a packed schedule, @da60net! Thanks for providing your “weekly workload budget” scheme – definitely passing that on to my son (incoming freshman – double-major music + physics).</p>

<p>Question for the @MarylandBro and @astrogirl – how do you guys have 17 hours on your freshman schedules? The system won’t let my son sign up for more than 16 hours (this happened both at registration during orientation and again this evening, when he was trying to tweak his schedule).</p>

<p>Here’s the info for max number of credits <a href=“The University of Maryland | A Preeminent Public Research University”>The University of Maryland | A Preeminent Public Research University;

<p>My son did take 17 credits his first semester, but I don’t think he got seats in them all at orientation. I kinda remember he was waitlisted on at least two classes he planned on. So, while HE counted himself as having 17 credits, since the two classes were waitlisted, they didn’t count yet in the school’s perspective and that may be the same issue here…</p>

<p>Actually, thinking about it, he was technically considered part-time on the first tuition bill because the seats hadn’t opened up yet in his classes, so as far as they were concerned, he wasn’t signed up for enough classes to get the tuition credit from his scholarship (which requires full time status). So, once the seats opened up and he was officially “in” those classes, his tuition was corrected and he received his scholarship credit as well.</p>

<p>FYI, bear in mind that some majors have their own limitation of credit also. For example, engineering majors have to get departmental approval to take a “credit overload” which they set the max at 18 credits <a href=“Exception to Policy: Credit Overload”>https://hsauber.wufoo.com/forms/exception-to-policy-credit-overload/&lt;/a&gt; and they cannot even apply until after the first semester when they have an official gpa on record.</p>