<p>These rankings look so much different than Businessweek. I expected Richmond and Lehigh to be much higher. I was suprised though that Penn State (where I'm going) was ranked so well. Anybody else not believe these rankings?</p>
<p>UCLA has no ug business program. Only something in econ.</p>
<p>These people that disrespect the business schools at places like Michigan, USC, Emory or even Indiana and Temple because:</p>
<p>(a) the business school is not at an Ivy or a school ranked in the top 15 USNW schools, or</p>
<p>(b) the school is not at a top-ten liberal arts school</p>
<p>just make me laugh.</p>
<p>People, thank you for demonstrating your belief that what makes for a good business program and good business school is nothing but name recognition and the abilities of the students.</p>
<p>However, has anyone thought about the fact that maybe good faculty is important, that maybe good facilities are important, or that good school placement, great internship opportunities, interactions with other great business schools overseas and specially designed business programs matter?</p>
<p>The schools listed above have all of these--and thus are highly ranked.</p>
<p>Please stop thinking that a highly ranked school means it should be top ranked at everything. If that was the case, why have a separate ranking for any discipline at all? This applies to business, this applies to engineering, this applies to science, and this applies to the liberal arts.</p>
<p>Anyone want to argue that Julliard isn't better than Yale at teaching music composition? Anyone want to argue that Georgetown's SFS school isn't better than Dartmouth at International Relations. Don't get me wrong, Dartmouth and Yale are rightfully higher ranked overall--but not in those disciplines. </p>
<p>Same for business--some schools that specialize in this are better than others. Quit taking the PDS syndrome to heart. (see the article in "featured threads and read kyledavid80s post if you need to understand my point).</p>
<p>Your "highly ranked school" is not best at everything--and may not have the best business school--sorry.</p>
<p>The Kelley school is one of only three in the nation for whom all undergraduate and graduate programs rank in the top 25.</p>
<p>The other two schools are UPenn Wharton and UT-Austin.</p>
<p>Quite frankly, i believe IU deserves more credit.</p>
<p>Yeah, it reminds me of a complaint on here some time ago by a Georgetown grad how Georgetown was so underrated at #25 on the USNW overall list (this was in 2005).</p>
<p>Here's a few Georgetown statistics that makes one wonder (this is from 2005 since I have better things to do than look these up each and every year):</p>
<p>National Rank by Total Research:
Penn: 8th
Duke: 21st
Virginia: 75th
Georgetown: 102th
Brown: 110th</p>
<p>National Rank By Federal Research:
Penn: 5th
Duke: 22nd
Virginia: 50th
Georgetown: 66th
Brown: 96th</p>
<p>National Rank By Endowment Assets:
Penn: 10th
Duke: 15th
Virginia: 23rd
Brown: 25th
Georgetown: 69th</p>
<p>National Rank By Annual Giving:
Penn: 5th
Duke: 10th
Virginia: 12th
Brown: 53th
Georgetown: 57th</p>
<p>Rank By National Academy Of Sciences Members:
Penn: 7th
Duke: 21st
Virginia: 42nd
Brown: 45th
Georgetown: 88th</p>
<p>National Rank By PhD's Awarded:
Penn: 26th
Virginia: 37th
Duke: 52nd
Brown: 92nd
Georgetown: 145th</p>
<p>National Rank By Post-Doctoral Appointments:
Penn: 5th
Duke: 14th
Virginia: 34th
Brown: 99th
Georgetown: 110th</p>
<p>National Rank By SAT Scores
Duke: 19th
Penn: 19th
Georgetown: 25th
Brown: 34th
Virginia: 59th</p>
<p>National Rank By # Of National Merit Scholars:
Duke: 16th
Penn: 23th
Brown: 29th
Virginia: 56th
Georgetown: 71st
(only 34 members of the class of 2006 were National Merit scholars at GU combined with 123 in Durham.)</p>
<p>A quick glance at the stats above makes you wonder how Georgetown and Brown got any top ranking at all (and Brown was my #1 choice school--and I was accepted, so I'm not "ragging" on them). </p>
<p>In fact, just the opposite--I believe most of the items listed above are irrelevant. The only one that might matter a bit is national science members (how good is the faculty), but really don't you care mostly how many are in your area (engineering, business, biology, etc?). And National rank by SAT (since that tells you how tough the competition is at your school)--and maybe National Merit Scholars would matter if they were more than 1% of the population at any school (tougher competition and better classroom discussion).</p>
<p>But people will just look at those numbers and jump to conclusions against Georgetown, the same way the Georgetown person took other numbers and jumped to the opposite conclusion. </p>
<p>My point is that it's important not to just look at the overall college, but also the individual business school and individual major you are interested in (as Steve720 has done above).</p>
<p>P.S. I'm also surprised that they picked so much above on Emory, USC, and Michigan--since all of these schools ranked between 20 and 29th on USNW's overall national university ranking last year. I at least understand a little bit why Indiana and Temple might get picked on if you don't do your homework (like Steve720 did).</p>
<p>I agree with Calcruzer that the rankings don't really say much about what the school really can offer. For example, I am picking Emory over Cornell and NYU for Finance just because I think it's my match. I think Emory is probably a bit more academically rigorous than NYU. I think Emory is also a bit more relaxed than Cornell, so once again, a lot of factors going into why people choose one school over another. Sure, I might have a tougher time getting a job on Wall St., but if I work hard I can get there with a Goizueta degree. That applies to just about any school in the top 15-20. Obviously its harder coming from the South, but doable.</p>
<p>I agree that rankings dont mean anything. Getting into a prestigious school is one thing, but it's all about what you do when you get there. Just because someone goes to Wharton doesn't mean they are going to get a better job than someone going to Ohio State or something. I got into Lehigh, BC, Georgetown and UNC, and I chose Lehigh because after visiting I felt that it would give the tools to GET A JOB before I even graduate. I was offered no money at Lehigh, nor was I at BC or G'town, so that wasnt a factor, and Lehigh is definately not as well known to the average joe as BC or G'town and even UNC. And Lehigh, though ranked high in business, is ranked lower than every other school I got into in Business Week. Despite all of this, I didnt think twice about my decision to turn down those three prestigious schools for one that is perhaps a little less prestigous. </p>
<p>People applying to college sometimes forget that graduating with a job that you like is the most important thing. The name or brand of the school should have no bearing on where you go, because it simply does not matter.</p>
<p>You picked Lehigh over Georgetown, UNC, and BC?</p>
<p>HORRIBLE decision </p>
<p>Wow, just wow</p>
<p>Lee Iacocca seemed to do ok in business :-/</p>
<p>see thats the problem. i dont regret my decision one bit. i liked lehigh more than the other three, what can i say. was i supposed to pick a school that i didnt like as much just because it has a better name than lehigh?
and you are not the first one to say that. so many kids at school were like "what were you thinking". there was another kid at my school who got into UVA, cornell and hopkins, but she chose to go to rutgers, because she liked it the most. and trust me, her parents could have paid for all of those schools she got into.
you see, i hate these kids who are so obsessed with the ivy leagues, and my school is filled with them. and thats part of the reason why i knocked g'town off the list, cause so many people there want to be at wharton or yale instead of being at georgetown, so they are miserable. that wasnt a main reason, but i didnt want to be around people like that. UNC was too southern for me, i'm from nj and had never really been further south than virginia. and i just liked lehigh more than BC so i dont see what the big deal is.</p>
<p>peesh pastaboy. are you really going take "lil wayne fan" seriously? i respect that you have the balls to go where you really wanted to go rather than taking crap from people who bust your balls for the decisions you make for YOUR life.</p>