<p>Top 10
- Princeton
- Harvard
- Yale
- Columbia
- Stanford
- University of Pennsylvania
- MIT
- Dartmouth
- Caltech
- University of Chicago</p>
<p>@ I V
Yep–those stats are for the admitted, and not enrolling, students. Looks like Vandy’s selectively increased modestly this year.
[Vanderbilt</a> Class of 2014 Notifications in the Mail | The Vandy Admissions Blog | Vanderbilt University](<a href=“http://admissions.vanderbilt.edu/vandybloggers/2010/03/vanderbilt-class-of-2014-notifications-in-the-mail/]Vanderbilt”>Vanderbilt Class of 2014 Notifications in the Mail | The Vandy Admissions Blog | Vanderbilt University)
[Vanderbilt</a> Class of 2015 Admission Decisions Mailed Today | The Vandy Admissions Blog | Vanderbilt University](<a href=“http://admissions.vanderbilt.edu/vandybloggers/2011/03/vanderbilt-class-of-2015-admission-decisions-mailed-today/]Vanderbilt”>Vanderbilt Class of 2015 Admission Decisions Mailed Today | The Vandy Admissions Blog | Vanderbilt University)</p>
<p>I’m pretty convinced we’ll mostly stay the same (we for example will stay between 19 and 21. More than likely will stay at 20). Might be some movement between 1-12 though.</p>
<p>Oh forgot (another one of my long posts, so feel free to ignore:) . Don’t bother complaining about it, if you don’t wanna read it, just don’t). It would be interesting if Vandy moved up some, but I’ve been banking on it since its admissions started to plummet and it hasn’t happened. I bet they’ll move up one into a tie or something, if anywhere at all. Doesn’t really matter if they surpass Rice. I see no evidence that Emory, ND, Vandy, and Rice are in any significant ways, academically weaker than each other. Admissions at these places hasn’t really changed the education they provide. It’s not like they became more rigorous or the curriculum was refocused throughout various depts. simply because they’ve been growing in popularity since 2000. No prof. says, oh, this class had a 1370 average and this one has a 1410, thus, I’ll give the new students more work". Generally profs. keep their class at the same level no matter the change in student body quality (hence past exams in math and science courses). If they want to challenge the students, they will, regardless of SATs. Once average is>1300, it stops mattering (some schools may have been harder when stats. were lower actually and not merely b/c students were less “qualified”), so any changes in rank will moreso reflect increases/decreases in popularity (admit rate, app. numbers) as seen by class of 2014’s admission cycle. USNews seems not to care but so much if your admit rate drops, but they DO care when it increases like ours, as it goes against the tide. </p>
<p>OP, nice try: I have no idea why people advocate for USC and UCLA jumping ahead. They are really good (and indeed much better for grad., at least UCLA), but neither are quite as selective (despite admit rate) for UG and have much larger classes. And unless you want to do something engineering related or something in communication or say journalism, for many, Emory is definitely a more ideal environment academically as are many other top 20s (some people actually value an environment less inclined socially. Some students actually value smaller class sizes). I’ve seen the work in say, natural science depts. shared by all 3 and Emory definitely expects more (it can demand more from a smaller, more homogeneous student body without using HUGE curves to save extremely weak students), and since it’s smaller, the professors work closer w/students so they won’t be weeded out or anything. Basically, despite what you may think, it’s a challenging, but more nurturing environment with some awesome faculty and scholars on campus. Certain types of students may actually prefer it over a place like UCLA or USC (just as Chicago draws a unique pool of applicants). Shocking isn’t it?</p>
<p>At many of these schools, you get to have the cake (more rigor) and eat it too (a decent grade). I’m betting it’s that they provide a better social environment (sports, etc.) or are merely more popular. However, Chicago is very similar (not as popular as similar ranked peers, no D-1 sports, heavily academic, small) and no one says “UCLA or USC deserves to be higher”. Seems that we are just ranked lower than other top 20 privates and are newer to the scene (at least main campus), and thus we’re fair game for attack. In reality, I wouldn’t bother comparing it to USC, Berkeley, or UCLA for undergrad. They are so dramatically different and Emory just happens to be favored by the USNWR’s criteria (unless pre-med non-engineering, I can’t even see why anyone would consider all three or Emory vs. either). </p>
<p>Oxford is also a point of attack, but I just checked SC’s common data set, and Oxford students actually have better stats:
Compare: [USC</a> Institutional Assessment and Compliance](<a href=“Institutional Research, Assessment, and Analytics - Institutional Research, Assessment, and Analytics | University of South Carolina”>Institutional Research, Assessment, and Analytics - Institutional Research, Assessment, and Analytics | University of South Carolina)
[Oxford</a> College - 2010 Entering Class Profile](<a href=“http://oxford.emory.edu/admission/entering-class-profile/]Oxford”>Facts and Stats | Emory University | Atlanta GA)</p>
<p>Oxford admits also receive a REALLY good education for their first 2 years and probably get a better academic experience than many on main campus (or than those at larger places like USC or UCLA). They have more hands on and innovative. Very small, so professors run things like labs instead of TAs. Many field and service oriented projects attached to courses. It’s just a really good model. Backdoor to Emory or not, they get an awesome experience, and despite those who claim they are “dumb” or “■■■■■■■■”(seriously, since when are people w/1100 dumb or ■■■■■■■■. That’s so elitist, I come from a background/neighborhood where many don’t have sufficient learning to muster a 950). Not to mention, they comprise a good portion (perhaps most) of those choosing to pursue a PhD here (as opposed to professional programs). “Dumb” students aren’t interested in that type of learning. In fact, many “smart” students don’t even want that level of rigor as a post-graduate prospect.</p>
<p>OP clearly goes to Brown…</p>
<p>Yes, Brown=USC.</p>
<p>My thoughts on the new rankings. I think Columbia will fall; MIT is ranked too low; NW, Penn too high; Chicago, WUSTL, and (especially) Brown will finally creep up a bit due to declining admission rates. I see about 4 clear tiers: HYPM…Columbia to WUSTL…then Brown to Carnegie Mellon are just a toss up…then u have the (no offense) stragglers. </p>
<p>Bias - Columbia. Hatred - Penn Sucks. Respect - Stanford. OH NO W T F - NW/Brown.</p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
<p>1 Harvard
2 Princeton
Yale
4 MIT
5 Columbia
Stanford
7 Caltech
8 Chiacgo
9 Duke
Penn
11 Dartmouth
WUSTL
13 Brown
14 Northwestern
15 Cornell
16 Notre Dame
Vanderbilt
18 Johns Hopkins
19 Rice
20 Georgetown
21 Emory
22 Carnegie Mellon
23 Berkeley
24 Virginia
25 USC</p>
<p>Penn sucks? do you have any reasoning for that?
Penn recently had the biggest giving to the med school in history. It’s so invested in pre-meds as well that it is #1 in sending kids to med school in terms of pure number, not percentage—which says a lot since it is certainly not the biggest school either.
Not only that, its teacher to student ratio stays low while still allowing for the resources of any big school. It has top departments in basically every department imaginable, and continues to provide the best business education too. Its ranking for the class of '15 was 11%— 9% for the college of arts and science. </p>
<p>Please have some basis in your so called “reasoned ranking” before you blatantly just say that one of the most prestigious universities SUCKS.</p>
<p>I can see clearly that bernie12 is an emory student. While I agree with something bernie12 has said I had to add that some of his proof is invaild. The link toward usc incoming freshmen profile is from University of South CAROLINA, not california. The link for usc incoming student profile is here: <a href=“http://www.usc.edu/admission/undergraduate/private/1011/FreshmanProfile2010.pdf[/url]”>http://www.usc.edu/admission/undergraduate/private/1011/FreshmanProfile2010.pdf</a></p>
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