2013 Architecture Acceptances

<p>I would like to chime in here to every student pursuing Architecture and their supportive Parents. </p>

<p>During this important time of the year, many have received or are still waiting for acceptances to colleges/universities. Soon the answers are all in, of course some may be to your dismay, but the shift turns to the difficult choice of decision making on where to attend. With the academic focus being solely on Architecture, tunnel vision walks hand-in-hand down the aisle with you as far selecting a prospective school; giving blind assumption that once I attend that school, I will graduate with a longed-for Arch degree. This seems to be the right way to think and the path Arch Major applicants should follow.</p>

<p>Other posts have touched on the aspect of an Architecture focused student needing to have a passion (politically correct term for total sacrifice & commitment) which obviously everyone at this stage thinks ‘yes, that’s me!’ all the while truly not knowing or experiencing the realities of what is to come. Then, there are a good amount of posts on CC which point out the fact that there is a substantial percentage of students who drop out either at the beginning or later in the game when switching your major is not an option unless you start college life all over again. Those who do it sooner can easily regroup than the latter. I can hear every eager Architecture prospect saying ‘Oh, that’s not going to be me because I want this too much!’.</p>

<p>My D followed this exact path. She was aspired to choose Architecture toward the end of grade school and stuck with that so-called passion right on through her Senior year in HS. She voluntarily pursued a HS internship with a global Architecture firm to experience what this career was like. My background is Construction and Building Code Inspector which was an asset in being able to nurture her passion with vast amounts of relative information. The path was just so right and the next step was to select colleges and get accepted so the passion could be fulfilled.</p>

<p>As a Parent it is so exciting when your child chooses a career and actually follows through with that desire to the doorsteps of college. It is such a relief that there is a focus versus entering college and having no clue as to what major/career path to take. Many college students go on to graduate that way. The bigger problem comes when a career focus blinds you into complacency. When you’re mind is set to something, you choose not to ‘see’ or dig deeper as to what negatives come with the territory. Excitement clouds any hint of doubt. This can get the best of many who feel they have done their homework and then some. </p>

<p>I’m sure you all have either seen some statistics, percentages, posts here on CC of the drop out rate in Architecture or how many sleepless nights are spent in studio. Tell me, who really pays attention to any of this when excitement and passion has a stronghold? Yes we read and researched things to a degree but filtered the negative things from our minds. BIG MISTAKE! </p>

<p>It is the middle of the 2nd semester and we are going through a re-assessment at this time with our D continuing with Architecture due to certain signs that were of great concern. We have eliminated the possibility she is just going through a phase, wanting to give up based on an unsubstantiated feelings. She had basically gone without sleep during the weekdays (2-3 hours every 48 hours) throughout her entire 1st semester while having to crash on weekends and missing out on college life. She had met many new friends initially; however, as the curriculum took hold, she found she could no longer have the time to join them in EC’s let alone even for a meal at the dining hall. Her project deadlines have consumed her life at college. Sleepless nights, although portrayed on YouTube as a funny thing, should actually be taken as a serious risk which leads to poor eating habits and likely depression. Obviously, there are students who tolerate this kind of life through the whole 5 years, but as my D says, “You get this strange sense when you walk by the Upper Class classrooms and they have alot less studio desks than the Freshman spaces”. Who really truly takes this into account when choosing to pursue Architecture?</p>

<p>Our dilemma has caused me to do some research as depression is a very serious problem that I will not ignore. I have witnessed a side of my D that I have never seen before. I searched the internet about depression and the Architect. The numerous articles, blogs and posts in forums blossomed to open my eyes in a way they should have been going into this from the very beginning. I concluded that the negative aspects of an Architect can easily become reality because of the nature of the business career having poor rewards. Yes, there are those who become renowned, but equally, there are those who become movie stars.</p>

<p>My D is in the middle of her 2nd semester and can no longer drop the classes so she will need to finish out the year to maintain a good GPA. Due to the fact that Architecture cannot bring the promise of higher starting financial reward such as Engineering, Medical, or Law students can come to reap, we are seriously in agreement with our D to walk away from Architecture and pursue the Business Major academics. It is SOOOO relieving to know that her University offers such a great variety of academics to pursue numerous career paths. I look back at the college visits and application process, thinking, had she attended some of the other schools she would have not had the options that she has now to easily switch to a desirable major. A few of the schools would have forced her to transfer which greatly places at risk the entire Financial Aid picture.</p>

<p>My long post is not to discourage those students whose passion (remember - a politically correct term for a rude awakening) is to pursue Architecture. My main point is to stress that when consideration is given to which college you select to pursue this particular degree, make sure that they also offer a diverse curriculum in case you need it to fall back on in the worst case scenario. HAVE A BACKUP PLAN. You may be one of those students who also drops out of Architecture. Each individual is different and won’t know until they experience this intense career Major. ALSO, do some homework because you may not like what you see and shift gears before you make a rash decision. Search the internet for topics on ‘Architect Depression’ and what the ‘life of an Architect’ is after graduating or completion of internships. Make sure you’re investment of time and mental health is the sacrifice you are willing to make in this particular career. Don’t forget to consider your possible sacrifice of a ‘college life’!</p>

<p>I wish all Architecture students the best of luck and admire your passions. Most important of all, if at any time your mental health becomes overwhelming, please DO NOT HESITATE for a moment to let your Parents know how you feel. DO NOT feel you must continue in a state of depression because you DIDN’T WANT TO LET THEM DOWN. Expressing your feelings the moment you begin to question things is VERY important! </p>

<p>Parents should take any negative discussion about Architecture SERIOUSLY as it could be an early warning sign. There is a real big difference between an off-the-wall comment such as “it makes me feel like quitting” vs. “I can’t take this anymore. Listen, listen carefully and become involved as soon as any negative direction begins. Taking charge of a situation early on can help save a direction from getting ugly.</p>

<p>Thanks for reading through this long post! </p>

<p>Now, do some more research and most importantly just choose the right college/university that may not be too focused or limited. There are just too many good ones out there offering Arch degrees while having diverse curriculums to fall back on as well.</p>

<p>Just got in to Pratt!</p>

<p>Congrats christophern!!</p>

<p>toptobottom, thank you for the insightful discussion, I will keep that in mind when making a final decision.</p>

<p>Has anyone else applied to Cooper Union? Apparently decisions will be released within the next three weeks for all undergraduates at random?</p>

<p>toptobottom, sorry to hear that your daughter’s going through a stressful time. Architecture is unique among professional schools because of the disproportionate focus on creative accomplishment. The studio segment, which is unarguably the greatest consumer of time and generator of anxiety, is heavy on theory and abstraction and is critiqued and graded subjectively. Especially for high achieving first years, the experience of receiving (or even the fear of receiving) negative feedback can be devastating. </p>

<p>Self doubt in the design area is rampant. Some colleges are better than others at encouragement and mentoring. Peers can be supportive, but the competition – and and internal motivation – is fierce. </p>

<p>Your daughter should ask if she could take a semester without studio to see if she can rekindle that “passion” for architecture. If not, there’s always the option of the M.Arch. For many architecture hopefuls, the maturity, knowledge and life experience gained by getting an undergraduate BA or BS before plunging into a architecture is beneficial.</p>

<p>Re the licensing process: This reminds me of what an experienced architect told my son about the journey of becoming an architect: “There is no light, just more tunnel.” :)</p>

<p>Many (I’d estimate over 50%) of the professors, lecturers and visiting professors at the top rated architecture programs are not licensed or certified themselves, including some of the big names at the big name schools. </p>

<p>This is in direct contradiction to the hiring practices of many major firms. They appreciate the design creativity that graduates of these programs bring to the firm, but still expect their architects to complete the licensing process, so freshly minted B.Archs and M.Archs have to face yet another hurdle after their degrees are granted. Many firms will help shepherd them through the process, but it can take 4 to 5 years.</p>

<p>@momrath </p>

<p>Quote: “[This reminds me of what an experienced architect told my son about the journey of becoming an architect: “There is no light, just more tunnel.”]”</p>

<p>I love that one! </p>

<p>Your post was outstanding and great information for others to consider. This Spring break was spent looking very deeply into the future and felt it might be best in her particular situation to move on. Sometimes you have to read your child and although I truly believe that anybody can learn to be anything in life with some motivation and effort, we just came to a conclusion to move on. We did have a private consult with a Principal Architect of a global firm in NYC where she did a HS internship for a month. It was bizarre because she was hooked up with this firm through a program we entered, come to find out that he was from my home state, same nationality AND we attended the same camp together when we were younger. He gave us some very good descriptive timeline history of his life since he was a graduate over 30 years ago. The discussion ended with concurrence that it may be for the best to seek another Major in our situation. </p>

<p>Brought my D back to school yesterday and she’s back to a state of normalcy, planning courses with another Arch student who left earlier this semester At least that’s for now until she gets slammed with all-nighters again as she still needs to complete the semester. Her grades were great last semester so at least we know that she had the potential. I told her it’s only for a short while longer and to go out with a BANG! She smiled and said “I will”. </p>

<p>There will be a light at the end of her tunnel!</p>

<p>My best to your son!!!</p>

<p>Momrath—I loved your informative, supportive comments. For many kids with a passion for architecture the 4 plus 2 option is a great way to go!</p>

<p>Toptobottom—I also read your post to my D who is a freshman in her M.Arch program and is home on break this week. I wanted her to hear your insights and your daughter’s journey. An especially talented boy dropped out right before she came home and it was pretty discouraging to the other students and a great surprise to her. The kids need to know that if they put out their best effort but decide for one reason or another to do something else that there is no shame in deciding upon another course of action. The nobility is in the attempt! All the best for your D. in her future! Thanks for sharing!</p>

<p>@momrath and toptobottom
Thanks for all the thoughtful insight and perspective. It is definitely creating a lot of deep discussions in our house! Just when you think you have things figured out there is more to consider. Even though it seems very stressful at times I keep telling myself it is good training for S on decision making. Rarely is there the “perfect” choice whether deciding on college, career choice, marriage or buying your first house–weighing all the factors is crucial but also keeping communication open so you can make changes if needed. Best of luck to everyone in these final weeks and your decisions!</p>

<p>Make that 4+2+summers… The only reason DD1 has not freaked out is that she takes 4 courses a semester instead of 5, then summers she makes up the courses either at her school or at our community college (electives and the like).</p>

<p>Actually in many cases the BA/BS+M.Arch is 4 + 3 or even 3.5! It’s a huge investment in time and treasure, but for my son and I think a lot of teenagers who are not ready to commit to a B.Arch, it’s the right decision.</p>

<p>Thanks for your input, very helpful…and similar points my D made when we presented her with the #'s to support the university we thought was her best choice. She said her choice ranks much higher on the DI list and just because a school teaches students how to get licensed doesn’t mean it teaches them how to think, be creative and have an outstanding portfolio. At least I’m glad to see she has been doing as much reading and research on her major as we have. She seems to be going into this ‘tunnel’ with her eyes open and doesn’t see the experience as purely ‘Ted Mosby’ nirvana; she’s wanted this since she was 7. Fingers crossed for the next 8 years +.</p>

<p>@christophern, when did you get your decision letter?
I applied as a transfer, I wonder if that means I will be informed later then freshman’s decision…Or I just get denied??</p>

<p>TtoB, sorry you decided that your daughter should not continue on with architecture school. Sometimes you have to follow your heart when it tells you something is not right, but I would just offer a few observations as an architect who has twin sons in architecture and Mechanical Engineering;</p>

<p>-The first year of architectural studio is pretty tough, particularly if she was in a BArch program. A lot of students are not ready to jump into an intense studio sequence right out of high school. This is also the weeding out year, and the professors can seem pretty sadistic at times. My class went from 195 to 95 our first year.</p>

<p>-The drop out rate for architects is pretty high, but probably less than for engineering majors. Where do they go? You guessed it; ‘business’.</p>

<p>-I hear the comment about having a social life. Well, architecture is more of a cult than a major. While you are in school your life revolves around studio and your classmates. My architecture son has a much better social life than my engineering son. He hangs out all day and night in studio with his best friends, listening to music and building models. He just got back from spending a semester with them traveling around Europe. Despite the hours, the quality of his life is better than his brother who works as many hours but is locked up in his room or in a lab.</p>

<p>-Are there depressed architects; absolutely. But Google depressed lawyers or doctors. The days of the cozy high paying professions is over. Like law, the students at the top of the class will get jobs with the best firms and do quite well, those in the bottom half of the class may struggle to even stay in the profession. We will probably hire 6 graduates this year at $50k, perhaps not top lawyer pay, but not that bad.</p>

<p>-Have you ever tested your daughter’s aptitude with something like an HBDI? We use it professionally and it is amazing the predictive ability it seems to have for successful architects and engineers; lots of yellow vs. lots of Blue/green.</p>

<p>Good luck to your daughter in whatever she pursues.</p>

<p>rick</p>

<p>I’ve applied to an insane amount of unis and don’t know which to choose.
It all comes down to the money, and my family’s not rich enough to afford the $60,000/year tuition+living.</p>

<p>Right now I’m thinking of Cal Poly SLO vs Pratt vs RIT because of the cost. After scholarships Cal Poly and RIT are around $30,000/year, while Pratt is at 40. Does anyone know why Cal Poly SLO is ranked so high despite being a state school/ its strong points?</p>

<p>Schools I’ve Gotten Into (Architecture):
Cal Poly San Luis Obispo
Syracuse Uni
Sci-Arc</p>

<p>Schools I’ve Gotten Into (Industrial Design):
Pratt ($76,000 scholarship)
SAIC ($31,000 overall)
CCA
RIT ($60,000 overall)</p>

<p>Schools I’m Waiting On (Archi):
AA
Cooper
Cornell
USC
RISD (Industrial Design)</p>

<p>Accepted to VT Architecture!</p>

<p>@thinart, Cal Poly is a very respected architecture program for producing some very qualified architects, especially considering licensure is considerably different in California due to different building codes to account for earthquakes. While the program is not as design-driven, the technical capabilities of the graduates are some of the best in the country in addition to strong studio work. Being a state school does not necessarily make it sub-par, seeing as a massive amount of California’s architects graduated from Cal Poly and went on to succeed. It is on par with, if not better than, excellent state programs like UT-Austin, VT, or UVA. </p>

<p>However, your list of schools seems to be very design/art-heavy, so maybe Cal Poly wouldn’t be the best fit for you. Also, it may be in the middle of nowhere, but SLO is a great town with perfect weather, which most students love.</p>

<p>@YvesXavier They sent me an email monday the 18th, but I’m still waiting on the financial information which is coming by mail. They would probably tell you if you were denied, so I’m sure they’re just taking longer because you’re a transfer. Good Luck!</p>

<p>@littlebuilder</p>

<p>Congratulations!
Thanks for the info. Honestly I’m fine with either a design-drive or technology-driven. However, do you know if acquiring a BA in Architecture in a certain state limits you to getting the licence & working in that state only?</p>

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<p>The location of your B.Arch or M.Arch program doesn’t limit your ability to work in any state or in most countries. You do not have to be licensed to work as an architect (though it’s a good idea).</p>

<p>You can go through the licensing process in any state, not just the one in which your college is located. Since it’s a long process, you may work in more than one state (or country) during the time it takes to complete the requirements. I’m not sure about taking the various exams in different jurisdictions, though.</p>

<p>After you are certified, reciprocity between states is fairly fluid. See the NCARB board for details.
[NCARB</a> - Certification and Reciprocity](<a href=“http://www.ncarb.org/Certification-and-Reciprocity.aspx]NCARB”>http://www.ncarb.org/Certification-and-Reciprocity.aspx)</p>

<p>Accepted into both Rice and UT’s architecture schools! I feel immensely grateful to be able to choose between these incredible programs, but now I’m torn between the two. Any thoughts?</p>

<p>@kcdecember Rice all the way!!!</p>

<p>@rick12 - “My class went from 195 to 95 our first year” OUCH! We did crunch some serious discussion and future direction based on alot of research into The Good, The Bad and the Ugly to come to a decision that what she wanted so badly for the past 10 years was not what she wanted any longer. I believe this was reason enough to change direction. </p>

<p>Going the way of a Business Major is not as much a specific career focus as the other professions you mention, but it is a good way to go as well. I graduated with a Business degree and chose to have my own construction business since I was already experienced at it from my mid-teens. I became Code certified here in NY back in '97 and recently had to take on part-time employment in a local town due to our depressed economy. I would always tell my D how I had to review Architectural plans and reject them due to errors or missing details altogether. I always laughed with her that I’m not even a Licensed Architect and I have to correct them at times.</p>

<p>I appreciate your comments and best wishes. I had never heard of the HBDI but after checking out what it it’s all about it sounds interesting. Might be something to consider test driving and see what it points to. For now our D’s path has been re-calibrated.</p>