Lots of excuses for Princeton fans. Just accept it, you’re not always gonna be on top of a ranking. No need to explain it away. It just isn’t in this one, but some have a penchant for orange and black.
I’m truly flabbergasted by your statements. I really don’t know where you’re coming from. “Lots of excuses for Princeton fans”? “Just accept it”?? “you’re not always gonna be on top of a ranking”?? “No need to explain it away”??
I had no idea anyone on this thread was “unaccepting” of Princeton on this thread? When especially a couple (including myself) stated that, based on the global rankings, Princeton should be ranked lower???
There are two facts here:
- The global rankings is based on research output. (PLEASE read the criteria that I listed earlier)
- Princeton DOES NOT have medical, law and business schools
The only reason why I discussed Princeton is because it’s one school I happen to know more than others and its the school that USNWR ranks #1 in one category of its rankings and #9 in another category that someone brought up as an interesting contrast.
In this global rankings, no LACs could do well simply because of their focus on undergrad quality and not so much on research. Now, I hope you don’t misread this statement, too, as “lots of excuses” for them, too!
these rankings are not surprising at all… Berkeley is and always has been a research power house. Look at any global rankings out there they always rank high often higher than Yale and Princeton btw.
The usual suspects at the top of all the global rankings are Stanford, MIT, Harvard, Caltech, Cambridge and Oxford.
Not sure what you think I don’t get. Global rankings are not based solely on research output, like you would have us all believe. Yes, Princeton doesn’t have medical, law and business schools, but that’s not the biggest or main factor here.
As a matter of fact, no LAC’s can be found in the global rankings of nearly 1,300 institutions. The closest U.S. college that’s LAC-like, Dartmouth, ranks #224. So, listen carefully @preppedparent: this global rankings is based primarily on research output, and the comments had nothing to do with excusing a particular college or not accepting of the ranking and whatnot. Those are strictly YOUR take.
Princeton is doing well considering Yale is 10.
Yale is tied at #10.
Even then, I’d have intuitively ranked Yale higher than Princeton.
you’re right.
@TiggerDad I don’t need the admonition to listen carefully. The rankings are not based solely on research output. I’m sorry you need to justify Princeton’s relatively low ranking.
Here are the 13 factors that USN&WR used to derive the rankings in question:
12.5% Global research reputation
12.5% Regional research reputation
10% Publications
2.5% Books
2.5% Conferences
10% Normalized citation impact
7.5% Total citations
12.5% Number of publications that are among the 10 percent most cited
10% Percentage of total publications that are among the 10 percent most cited
5% International collaboration
5% Percentage of total publications with international collaboration
5% Number of highly cited papers that are among the top 1 percent most cited in their respective field
5% Percentage of total publications that are among the top 1 percent most highly cited papers
https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/articles/methodology
Looks pretty research-oriented to me. And USN&WR itself sees it that way:
These rankings certainly don’t seem to address undergraduate-related factors, since graduate-only institutions like UCSF (#15), Rockefeller U (#52), and Baylor College of Medicine (#126) are all highly ranked (note that Baylor Med is a separate institution from Baylor U, which is only #341)
Okay, I give up @preppedparent
the disconnect is that USNWR has rankings that supposedly measures undergrad education with one that supposedly measures research prowess with vastly different results.
All those percentage criteria factors sure add up to 100% to me, and they’re ALL research oriented, so I really don’t get it when preppedparent continuously insists that there’s an undergrad factor in there somewhere. Funny thing is that I thought he’d like my pointing out that NO LACs made the rankings list because of this very fact, including his (and my) beloved Pomona, lol.
and “reputation,.” I think was mentioned. I’m out too. I made my point.
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