If you don’t need a massive amount of aid, and like cold weather, big cities, and a large school, McGill can be a match. It bases admission almost exclusively on stats. It is less expensive than private colleges or most out-of-state publics, but will not provide any financial aid to US students. Washington U. in St. Louis is known for liking high-stat students a lot if they demonstrate real interest.
@NickFlynn I wonder if you could say the following:
(the admission rate to “elite” schools (say, top 30) for an elite student) * (the number of top 30 schools being applied to by a typical elite student)
= the expected value of the number of elite school acceptances for an elite student
has remained constant over the last 10 years for “elite” students (however we define that)? With the higher number of applications per student just resulting in more individual randomness.
@inn0v8r I think that is essentially what has happened over the last 10 years.
@inn0v8r "(the admission rate to “elite” schools (say, top 30) for an elite student) * (the number of top 30 schools being applied to by a typical elite student)
= the expected value of the number of elite school acceptances for an elite student"
This does not work well for individual students. There is a degree of positive correlation among elite school admissions. If you are admitted to one, then it is likely you will be admitted to more.
@Darude “I have a 4.0 GPA with a 2330 SAT score and I have NO idea which school will accept me.”
True, but a student with these grades and test scores will have a very good chance at an Ivy. Especially, Cornell which will probably accept a majority of students like this, and Penn which tends to value high gpa. I would say that Harvard, Stanford, MIT, and Princeton are probably the most questionable.
Are you actually using a group of kids with a 70% yield rate to disagree with my experience that Mich increasingly rejects students who it believes will not attend? @TooOld4School
@marvin100, my point is that 70% is an extremely high yield and those mostly NMSF Washtenaw/Oakland county students that I am referring to are very likely to attend UMich and are admitted at near 100% rates. I am actually agreeing with you.
@Much2learn yes for sure independence does not hold (and not just for elite schools). P(get into state school | given was admitted to Harvard) > P(get into state school unconditionally). But what I mentioned was more of a thought experiment to focus on the effect of a constant number of applicants chasing the same number of spots while applying to a larger number of schools, so I wanted to keep it simple.
I would note, though, it is important for the colleges to try to push their outcomes to be more independent if possible, though. Taken to logical extreme, imagine if the outcomes are all utterly dependent - i.e. there are a group of students who have 100% probability of getting into all ivies, and the rest all have 0%. In this scenario, you can imagine yield management and figuring out how many students to accept would be a nightmare for the colleges. Thus the need for really trying to sort out the students by “fit.”
Ah, gotcha @TooOld4School
@inn0v8r #26
That’s the reason all the Ivies (and most of their peer schools) use ED or Restricted EA action programs - to achieve some independence of results, based on student choice.
My daughter was admitted SCEA to Yale and wait listed at Northwestern. She was shortly admitted to Northwestern and went there where she was very happy. She has since changed careers and is still happy she went to NU vs Yale because of the football team! There are a lot of reasons to choose a college!