3.57, 1650....Got into Cornell!

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<p>A black applicant with a 540 SAT math score, a 480 verbal score, and a 3.3 GPA had a 99 percent chance of admission to the University of Michigan in 2002, as does a Hispanic applicant with the same test scores and grades. Asian and white applicants with the same qualifications, however, have only a 11 percent chance and 14 percent chance of admission, respectively . Now the amazing thing is that the Black/White income gap was LESS than 1%. In other words it is the UPPER INCOME BLACKS that are getting preferences over BETTER QUALIFIED IMPOVERISHED WHITES.</p>

<p>Using statistical technigue called a logical regression, Robert lerner and Althea Nagai did a probablility study of admiissions to the Ivies. The chances of a black/hispanic student getting accepted with a specific qualifications over an equally qualified white/Asian is an astounding 171:1. The statistics showed that a URM had a FAR better chance of getting accepted to Harvard (or any Ivy for the year 2002) with 1240 SAT than a white with a PERFECT 1600. I believe the probability was 4:1.... and this was AFTER norming for income levels. In other words, an wealthy black kid has a better shot at getting into Harvard with a 1240 SAT than does an impoverished white kid with a PERFECT 1600.</p>

<p>This is repeated when GPA is taken into account also.... in EVERY selective school in the USA.</p>

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<p>“In other words it is the UPPER INCOME BLACKS that are getting preferences over BETTER QUALIFIED IMPOVERISHED WHITES.”</p>

<p>First, it is the schools themselves that decide what the qualifications for admission are. Thus, you are not the one who is to decide what is more or less qualified. An average test score is just that, an average. It is not a set rule for those who may or may not be admitted to the institution. </p>

<p>Second, this trend goes back to the original purpose of the affirmative action movement in the United States, one that sought to increase racial equality both culturally and economically in the United States; the movement was not focused solely on the economic condition of underrepresented citizens; it also wanted to ensure that these citizens could be more effectively integrated into American society. This could be why said “upper income” Black students gain the upper hand on “impoverished whites”.</p>

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<p>Exactly ... and therein lies the problem. Affirmative Action seeks to insure EQUALITY OF RESULT.... NOT EQUALITY OF OPPORTUNIT. It is common knowledge and can be documented by a millions statistically significant studies that cultural and ethnic groups differ as relates to common values. Affirmative action penalizes those groups that AS A GROUP value education, hardwork, morals, and ethics ... in favor of those groups that devalue education, are morally lacking , and display excessive criminal behavior.</p>

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<p>How did I know this would turn into an AA thread w/ blink in it? Well with the 350 point increase I got a perfect 2400!!</p>

<p>The salutatorian at my school got rejected from Cornell with a 1680 and a 4.7 GPA and he's black so I'm sure it wasn't AA that got this guy in. I didn't find it odd that he got rejected either because that score is just not up to snuff, period. The only thing I found odd was that he got in to Columbia o_O</p>

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<p>It's definitely true that AA "seeks to ensure equality of result...and not equality of opportunity"; we're more or less level from school district, to state, to country. We all have educational facilities in our towns, that's not what's unique to an individual. What is unique is personal drive; AA sets to, in a sense, halter the progress of blacks, hispanics and other under represented minorities in the college admissions progress, by eliminating the need to push intellectual and personal ambition. </p>

<p>Now the key here is that it's not singling out individuals, it acts on a group; people are too abrupt to point out specific counter-examples when they realize that as a group, the URMs do not traditionally value intellectual effort, hard work and ambition as do the whites and the Asians. However, suffice to say, AA is taking a step backward, letting the URMs slide backward while making the whites and the Asians push themselves forward harder. </p>

<p>It isn't a matter of race, rather a matter of those personal qualities most appreciated and present in a group of people. That is what the AA is inhibiting.</p>

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<p>OK Priceless, let me spell it out for you and the other statistically disadvantged. After norming for socio-economics, the average SAT score for blacks was 350 points lower than those of whites. It does not mean that it was absolute in every case. Get it?</p>

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<p>blink, since you want to single me out...I know that the average score was app. 350 points lower. I never said it wasnt. I just said I was happy with my 2400. Was.Not.Being.Sarcastic. Get it?</p>

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<p>I still think Cornell just made a mistake.</p>

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<p>"I still think Cornell just made a mistake."</p>

<p>lmfao that response made me laugh because it came in the middle of this big AA debate...</p>

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<p>There are over 13,000 undergraduates at Cornell; one more won't hurt. Will he be able to handle the workload? Now that's the question, but one only time can answer.</p>

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<p>When will some folks learn and UNDERSTAND that the admissions process is not strictly grades? It's obvious but no one wants to believe it when it they think they've lost an opportunity to which they feel entitled.</p>

<p>It admission was strictly a matter of a specific "mark," colleges would set it, let everyone know about it, and accept the earliest applicants (first come, first served) with that mark (or higher) until the incoming class was full, saving the admissions officers a lot of bother. Well, as we all know, it aint that simple. Ever hear of mean and median?</p>

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<p>"""When will some folks learn and UNDERSTAND that the admissions process is not strictly grades? """"</p>

<p>The problem is NOT that factors other than grades are taken into consideration for otherwise qualified indiduals.... such as a special talent, military service etc. The problem is when two individuals ... or groups of individuals are held to COMPLETELY different standards because of the color of their skin. It is wrong when skin color is the ONLY thing that qualifies an individual for admission to a university. And yes, that is the case with most URM's in todays elite institutions.</p>

<p>The fraud of stating that skin color is only one factor .... or a tie breaker in admission is just that ... a lie and a fraud. Skin color and ethnic heritage is the ONLY qualification as relates to URM's in todays elite colleges. I've posted the stats. </p>

<p>98% of URM's are admitted to the Ivies with qualifications that would AUTOMATICALLY reject a white or Asian. This is AFTER norming for socio economic background. </p>

<p>The kicker is, the elite instituions value the black skin of a wealthy unqualified URM(or ANY URM) with substandard SAT's and GPA, MORE than they value a PERFECT 2400 SAT and 4.0 GPA from a poor Applalachian white. This is a LITERAL fact, not just imagery to make a point. It has been documented over and over.</p>

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<p>Blink, I don't know why you bother to try to respond to me in an objective manner when it's clear as day, from comment #64 that you are an insidious racist and willing to hide under a false cover of the objectivity of numbers. And I want you to understand, I don't fear racists. I confront them to see if they've got any real mettle. You're lacking.</p>

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<p>How serious are you about this statement? Who in the hell are you to determine that "AS A GROUP", black people are morally lacking? Who exactly are you mad at about AA?</p>

<p>People like you take away from the true purpose of College Confidential. No one comes here to read your absurd generalizations and watch your pitiful attempts to mask racism. Please, be gone.</p>

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<p>Amina, you seem to be outraged at the message, but not the actual pathology. I am just stating the facts as they relate to the falacious premise of affirmative action. So lets break down each of my statements and see if they are grounded in the truth.</p>

<p>DEVALUE EDUCATION: 67% of adult blacks fall below a basic level of literacy in the USA.</p>

<p>CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR: Almost ALL interracial violent crime is black on white. 92% of interracial murder and 98% of rinterracial rape is black on white. The media today has done everything possible to make it seem like the reverse is true. 30% of black males between 18 and 30 have been thru the criminal justice system. </p>

<p>MORALLY LACKING: 72% of black children are born out of wedlock. A comparable number of black fathers fail to support their children financially or any other way.</p>

<p>These are simply the facts. If stating them on this board makes me a racist ... so be it. Its too bad that so many of our college bound students are too fragile to objectively consider facts that don't pass thru a politically correct filter. This is especially true of minority students. You are fragile , insecure, and do not think of yourself as a strong individuals. Your identy is fully invested in your minority victimhood. Get a backbone!</p>

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<p>Excuse me, in your last paragraph, are you directly referring to me as a minority student, or using the pronoun for general reference? If it is the first case, I have never stated my race on this website, so please refrain from making assumptions.</p>

<p>You yourself have suggested that you are racist. It is very easy to read past posts, thank you.</p>

<p>And if the children are born out of wedlock, wouldn't that mean that the parents lack morality? After all, you said "AS A GROUP." </p>

<p>I really don't care about your other examples. I only replied to your comment about lacking morality because I hardly believe that can be measured by a BS percentage.</p>

<p>Oh, and by the way, I am not outraged. My reply to your over-generalized response doesn't mean I lack a backbone, either.</p>

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<p>This statement says it all. I couldn't end my posting on a more salient note. Off to work.</p>

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<p>Blink I'm interested to see your sources. Until then I have no way of taking what you say as truth.</p>

<p>Furthermore, your facts, should they be true, only increase the need for affirmative action. I don't think it's very debatable that education is one of the leading methods of social mobility - many many people who are poor can have a shot at a higher standard of living after college. However, they do not possess the opportunities that whites and asians might have. Thus, they are immediately put at a disadvantage when it comes to college admissions. To put them to the same standards is both unfair and unjust. </p>

<p>You see, if these people, who commit so many interracial crimes and fornicate and so on, are put in a situation where they cannot pursue an education at the college level merely because of the sheer amount of capable white/asian-folk who can score better on the SAT from expensive prep courses, then they will continue to live in their "morally lacking" ways, which EXACERBATES the situation. I think we can all agree that not many URMs want this situation, and would prefer living nicely to living in "morally degenerate" ways. </p>

<p>Affirmative action is a method that, albeit not perfect, will help in righting this wrong. The essence of the matter is that people who do not have the opportunities to go to college would be denied this chance otherwise. If we can give URMs this chance, perhaps in the future, URMs wont' be so URed anymore, and we can do away with affirmative action, however, for now, it's necessary to help readjust the socioeconomic makeup of America. </p>

<p>FYI, I am asian, and I was rejected by a university where I believe URMs may have had an advantage, and I'm totally ok with that. </p>

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<p>Blink, I think someone famous said judge people by the content of the character instead of the color of their skin :-P. I think we know how people on CC judge you.</p>

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<p>I'm sorry, RisingSun, that it had to be that way, being rejecting and all.</p>

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<p>Haha, whatever, like I said, I'm all for AA, and plus, I'm in a pretty fine school, so it's all good lol. Also, I'm sure that even without all those URMs, some more qualified white/asian/jewish/whatever person would have filled my spot anyways (MIT).</p>