"300" as propaganda?

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<p>I know the idea of discussing the nuances of a mindless action movie like 300 seems to be a waste of time, but even though I think the linked page is not entirely correct, I still think it's worth talking about.</p>

<p>I must admit that when I first saw the trailer for the movie, I was blown away. I loved Sin City, and I couldn't wait for another movie like it. But then, all the simplistic brouhaha of the movie irked me, especially in these contemporary times. I thought the characterization of Sparta as freedom and Persia as oppressive was dangerously simplistic with potential war with Iran looming, in addition to general violence in the Middle East. Anybody who knows history knows that Sparta was an extremely harsh society, and Persians had many innovations in administration that Alexander the Great would later emulate once he conquered them. I rolled my eyes at the thought of dumbass neo-conservatives likening themselves to the glorious Spartans and the Iraqis/Iranians as the Persians.</p>

<p>Another thought that bothered me was that the Spartans were mostly played by Western Europeans (a Scotsman, Gerard Butler, plays Leonidas). There's even a British-accented Spartan in the trailer! This, despite the fact that the Spartans were Greeks and of Mediterranean stock. Generally speaking, people of Mediterranean stock have a distinct look from Western Europeans, such as dark curly hair and swarthy complexions. To me, it felt like another case of a historical re-write, where racial/ethnic anachronism was applied in order to distort Antiquity into a battle of Anglo-whites and Arabs, when in fact, Spartans and Persians probably did not all that different from one another (even today, Iranians have an ethnically ambiguous look, despite general ignorance portraying them as stereotypical Arabs). This may sound like nitpicking, or being the dreaded "PC" police (oh wait, anachronistic historical re-writing is just SATIRE), but in a world where mere appearance/image can make such a difference, I think it's very important to examine why whenever the great people of Antiquity are represented, they are almost always portrayed in a Anglicized manner (such as Joaquin Phoenix's fake British accent as Commodus in "Gladiator"... wouldn't it be more appropriate for him to speak like-a Mario?). Or what about the absurd "Enemy at the Gates" where apparently, the brave Russians who fended off the Nazis were actually all British! And if you're going to argue that it was a predominantly British production, then why did they get an American, Ed Harris, to play the villain? Geez, only the British could get away with this. Can you imagine an Austrian-accented Napoleon? Or a John Wayne-like Genghis Khan? Oh wait...</p>

<p>IMHO, it is a residual effect from centuries of British colonialism (of which America is a product of) that has forced people to equate anything British with the world's greatest achievements, or at least the West's greatest achievements. I mean c'mon, why does a British-accented Roman emperor sound "right", but a German one sounds ridiculous? I think the Germans deserve as much credit as the Brits in shaping modern Western society, but I guess since the Germans didn't spend as much time colonizing the world, their skills in self-promotion and brainwashing subjects (Nazis excluded) are not as honed.</p>

<p>I'm saying all this because from what I've heard, 300 is a superb movie and I can't wait to go see it. I don't think there's any agenda or ill-intent behind the movie, but I'm afraid that it may get marred by the opinions of idiots who see in the film things that justify their stupidity and simplicity.</p>

<p>I thought it was great.</p>

<p>I want to go see it.</p>

<p>You're right, it is a waste of time. The filmmakers themselves said the movie did not parallel anything in current life; it is what it is, the story of 300 Spartans.</p>

<p>Who else is tired of the over-analyzing pundits looking for anything to back up their points of view?</p>

<p>From the previews, it looks like a race war.</p>

<p>i want to see it and i don't care if it discriminates or whatever ... it looks so cool and the Spartans just kick ass</p>

<p>I saw 300...and it's so good...good to point it'll make you believe there is a God.</p>

<p>Funnily enough, there are neoconservative thinkers who liken the war on terror to the Spartans vs. the Persians. The classicist Victor David Hanson comes to mind. Hanson also compares America to the Roman Empire (and, of course, the Arabs to the Barbarians).</p>

<p>And then there is Leo Strauss, the philosopher who, as the so-called father of the neoconservative movement, was essentially a classicist. Perhaps there is also a connection there.</p>

<p>Take a break from overanalyzing stuff that doesn't matter and just enjoy it. It's a great movie....be entertained...it'll be ok.</p>

<p>^ As they say: Ignorance is Bliss.</p>

<p>Given todays PC I am amazed that Will Smith or Denzel wasn't playing a heroic Spartan.</p>

<p>But it does provide some insight into the basis of how Western "whites" might have originally came to believe in their superiority - later bolstered by Alexander, then Rome.</p>

<p>Again, I am amazed that this film hasn't faced a wave of protests that all the "good" guys are white. The historic battle portrayed in 300 could be compared to the team portrayed in "Hoosiers" beating Shaq's Miami Heat. So again I have to say this movie somehow slipped under PC's radar - maybe thinking ti wouldn't be a box office hit.</p>

<p>Ignorance my ass. </p>

<p>I just choose to not get my panties in a wad over something as silly as an action movie. For goodness sake, find something better to worry about.</p>

<p>I'm having flashbacks to people freaking out over Broke Back Mountain...ugh. People are annoying.</p>

<p>lol interesting story.... i was talking about 300 to my mom who wanted to know what it's like and she told me "if i didn't know any better, i'd say they've brainwashed u to become a soldier". then i saw this thread on 300 as propaganda and now im sorta convinced that it could be like that(although there's no way in hell id join the army). It was still a decent movie, a little overhyped but i have no gripes about it.</p>

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I just choose to not get my panties in a wad over something as silly as an action movie.

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Yes, but there is nothing stopping you from participating in an intellectual debate on it. You are on this board, aren't you? Furthermore, how is it not ignorance if you choose to dismiss an issue that is blatantly characteristic of biased western media? Your posts imply that you are aware of it, but opt to not respond to it.</p>

<p>"Blatantly characteristic of biased western media"? For God's sake, the filmmakers themselves said all of this over-analysis was ridiculous. Apparently, no one can make a movie about anything anymore without it being paralleled to, say, ethnic clashes on Serbia.</p>

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<p>So you think that "300" is symbolic of the War in Iraq?</p>

<p>Whatev.</p>

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Again, I am amazed that this film hasn't faced a wave of protests that all the "good" guys are white.

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<p>Do you live in some alternate universe where in the popular media, most of the good guys aren't all white?</p>

<p>Anyway, as many intelligent people have pointed out, if people are to compare "300" to real life, it's a more apt comparison to liken the Spartans to the Iraqis because they're the ones being invaded. Americans, with their superior numbers, are the Persians. Take that, neocons! Anyway, it doesn't surprise me that neocons get themselves off by picturing themselves as Spartans because it takes a particularly narrow and exclusivist mind to envision an interrupted and "untainted" legacy of Westernism beginning with Greece and currently with America, with Rome and Britain in between.</p>

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Yes, but there is nothing stopping you from participating in an intellectual debate on it. You are on this board, aren't you?

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<p>Yes...I am on this board, and it's my opinion that people are overanalyzing the mess out of this movie for no good reason. </p>

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Furthermore, how is it not ignorance if you choose to dismiss an issue that is blatantly characteristic of biased western media?

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<p>First, refer to what I've already said about people making up reasons to complain. </p>

<p>Now let's move on to the very likely truth that this is nothing more than a movie that people are twisting around just to have something to make a fuss about. Filmmakers (who know best) are also saying that folks are looking too much into this...and I agree. It's not ignorance (I understand how people are twisting the movie to represent what they want it to...I'm not an idiot), it's a difference of opinion.</p>

<p>But hey, I could be wrong about this...don't really care if I am...don't have a problem saying that there's a possibility...but I doubt it.</p>

<p>Remember, it's based on the graphic novel by Frank Miller</p>