A Couple Questions

<p>I visited Harvard recently and was left with a couple questions...</p>

<p>1) I loved the idea of the "houses," but what are freshman dorms and the individual dorms in the houses like?</p>

<p>2) What is the library like? Are there any comfortable, plush places to study and "chill" there? Any coffee, food, in them?</p>

<p>3) The school felt HUGE. Does the ways of breaking it down, such as the freshman dining hall, really make a difference, and how much is the balance of focus on graduate students' side?</p>

<p>4) Is the bustle of Cambridge sometimes too much. I'm coming from NYC and I feel like I want a somewhat quiet college town...</p>

<p>5) The general education requirements sound quite stringent. Are they? Can it be annoying/hard to fulfill them? Is foreign language a requirement? (I have taken AP Spanish at my school)</p>

<p>6) Is all the teaching by TAs good? Do you ever get taught by real professors?</p>

<p>7) Does it ever take an inordinate amount of time to walk from one side of the huge campus to another?</p>

<p>If you want a somewhat quiet town, Cambridge isn’t for you. You might want to check out Amherst, Williams, Dartmouth and Princeton as well as places like Bowdoin and Grinnell.</p>

<p>This is coming from a prospective student who has only done one short, running-around-like-crazy tour of Harvard with a sophomore there (and visited once before, but only went to an info session).</p>

<p>1) Did you go to a dorm? I went to one freshman dorm and one dorm in one of the houses. They both lived in suites and had in-suite bathrooms, which I think is rather unusual for freshman dorms. The rooms were very sizeable. They’re not exactly modern, but according to a guy I met this morning (who went to Harvard 25 years ago, so ignore this if you will) the more modern dorms aren’t as close to everything and tend to be less popular. Besides, I think all the amenities you could really want are available in the older dorms,</p>

<p>2) I only went to the Leverett library, since I got to Harvard a little past 6:00 and the biggest library was closed, but I hear it’s ridiculous. Like, more books than you could ever want and gorgeous. The Leverett library’s books were mostly ones that no one reads and were sort of there just to have that “this is a library feeling,” but the room was quiet and had comfy places to work on papers on study. No food or drinks though. My friend came in with an apple and no one yelled at her, but we were just in there for a few minutes.</p>

<p>3) I’m from a fairly sizeable HS so I’m not as familiar with the feeling. We had dinner in the dining hall and my friend and her friend recognized everyone in there. And organizations one can join definitely help break it down. The friend who gave me the tour is very much into community service, so the building where they do that is like her second home. And another friend there is in an Asian dance group, so that’s like her home. It seems that one can definitely find smaller, cozy groups that are less overwhelming, but if one were from, say, a school where there are 30 students in a class, I don’t think any number of cozy groups could prevent an initial sense of shock.
I’ve asked quite a few people about the concentration on undergrads/grads and the general idea that I’ve taken away from all of those convos is that, overall, you might need to be a bit more of an outgoing go-getter to get individualized attention at Harvard than at similar large research universities, but it’s really not that different. However, everyone I talked to was from smaller concentrations and addressed me as someone also considering a small concentration. If you are planning to major in, say, economics, it may be more of an issue.</p>

<p>4) Cambridge is not a quiet college town. If that’s a priority for you, then you probably will not be interested in Harvard. Quieter than NYC, sure, but still very lively. Northstarmom’s recommendations are very nice.</p>

<p>5) I feel like that’s a very individual consideration. In general, I don’t feel that anyone anywhere is overjoyed or in love with their core/general ed/distribution requirements/whatever appellation they are given wherever one is, but people are okay with them. However, other people find them annoying. It’s a personal thing.</p>

<p>6) There’s nowhere where all teaching everywhere is good, quite simply. Some TAs are better teachers than professors. Some TAs are awful. And yes, you are presented with the opportunity to be taught by professors, just not all the time.</p>

<p>7) What do you consider inordinate? Harvard is sort of twisty-turny, but no walks are that long, in my opinion. However, I do enjoy walking.</p>

<p>At Harvard (all the Ives?) you are trading access to the best and brightest (professors and students) for the best in creature comforts. Don’t expect the country club dorms that you will find at some of the 3rd class want-to-be colleges because these universities are the real thing and they don’t need cappuccino in the library to attract enough students.</p>

<p>@ncmentor…that is definitely not true. The creature comforts at Harvard are greatly above par (as a simple function of their being rich). You can find great things like cappuccino in the library if you want. I studied at Harvard for 6 weeks this past summer, and here are some of the things I can answer:</p>

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<li><p>The dorms are quite nice. I stayed in Thayer Hall, home of e.e. cummings and Steve Ballmer. The only thing Thayer Hall has going against it is its rich and full historical age, and even then it’s very nice on the inside. Spacious enough, generally beds are bunked and you have one large room and one small bedroom, but you can debunk and put one bed in the large room, which is what I did. Communal bathrooms, but that’s a plus, because it means you don’t have to clean and maintain your own ; ). I visited a number of other dorms as well (most of them, actually, with friends who lived in them), and they were all very nice.</p></li>
<li><p>Widener (the holy father of all libraries) is sick. It’s beautiful to study in. The Loker Reading Room is mindblowing, and no one is allowed to make a noise in there, so you can study without any interruption. Personally, this is a little disturbing for me, because I study with earplugs in and when I’m in the room for long enough I start to hear my own breathing and I get paranoid that everyone else is hearing it too because it’s so loud. If I stay in there long enough I get afraid that I’ll become schizophrenic.</p></li>
<li><p>It didn’t feel huge at all when I was there. The undergraduate experience is very well integrated and meshed together, it felt. The dining hall is beautiful, and most freshman dorms are in and around the Yard, so you’ll always be surrounded by your frenemies. Sure, you see a crapload of mid twenty-year-olds and the occasional 140 yr. old, but that doesn’t alter life much at all.</p></li>
<li><p>I didn’t feel pressured by the bustling of Cambridge at all. It wasn’t all that bustling for me, I felt. You can easily find nice, quiet places to study or curl up to hibernate for the winter (e.g. Widener and the Science Center).</p></li>
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<p>This is a good time to put in a disclaimer here though, and say that you will inevitably be molested by tourists sooner or later. This is unavoidable, and you should just grow to accept your fate now. These tourists will come from the far east, and will wish to touch you to ascertain the verity of your being a true human and will then proceed to take pictures with you to prove that they did indeed corner the mythical Harvard student. Hehe. Just kidding.</p>

<p>Not at all.</p>

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<li><p>I’m overjoyed, Millancad ;). Except by foreign language, but even there I think I’ll grow to love it.</p></li>
<li><p>Yeah, this is a significant question/problem I have too.</p></li>
<li><p>Sometimes I’ve felt this way. Actually, often. But that’s not because Harvard’s building placement is wack, it’s because they have so many more buildings than everyone else that they physically could not fit them in anyway that did not require some form of prolonged walking ;). It’s a good thing.</p></li>
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<p>Here’s a former student (class of 2009) perspective to balance out the prospective student opinions:</p>

<p>1) I loved the idea of the “houses,” but what are freshman dorms and the individual dorms in the houses like?</p>

<p>Generally old, full of character, suite-style. Lots of variation between the worst rooms and the best rooms. Come visit + stay with a student to get a real perspective.</p>

<p>2) What is the library like? Are there any comfortable, plush places to study and “chill” there? Any coffee, food, in them?</p>

<p>Harvard has LOTS of libraries. I tried to visit as many as I could, and didn’t get to every one during my four years. The libraries of the most relevance to undergrads are:
*Lamont - Open 24/7 with a few exceptions. Lots of comfortable study space. “Cafe” with drinks + food that’s open late.
*Widener - Normal library hours. Some beautiful reading rooms. An unbelievably large collection of books.
*House libraries - Hours vary (my house library was open 24/7, but others are more restricted), few books, good for studying in a smaller environment.</p>

<p>3) The school felt HUGE. Does the ways of breaking it down, such as the freshman dining hall, really make a difference, and how much is the balance of focus on graduate students’ side?
Breaking things down into houses definitely makes your community feel smaller. Students also get really involved in extracurriculars (mine was The Crimson, the newspaper, but there’s something for everyone) - and to some extent that becomes your community.</p>

<p>The undergrad vs. grad focus thing has been rehashed on these boards a million times. See if you can find one of the “Does Harvard care about undergrads” for a full perspective.</p>

<p>4) Is the bustle of Cambridge sometimes too much. I’m coming from NYC and I feel like I want a somewhat quiet college town…</p>

<p>I grew up in the suburbs and really liked being in Cambridge’s urban environment. At the same time, there are a lot of courtyards + other quiet outdoor areas around campus if you’re looking for that. It’s certainly not rural though.</p>

<p>5) The general education requirements sound quite stringent. Are they? Can it be annoying/hard to fulfill them? Is foreign language a requirement? (I have taken AP Spanish at my school)</p>

<p>Annoying? Yes, definitely can be. Hard to fulfill them? No, it’s about 7 classes over 8 semesters… you have more than enough time to work them in.</p>

<p>6) Is all the teaching by TAs good? Do you ever get taught by real professors?</p>

<p>All classes (with the exception of some intro foreign language ones + expos) are taught by professors or lecturers. TAs (Harvard calls them TFs) supplement that in large classes by leading weekly problem solving/discussion/lab sessions. Most of my TFs were okay - a few were inspiring, a few were terrible.</p>

<p>It’s not hard to build relationships with professors if you want them. All freshmen have the opportunity to take a freshman seminar with 12 students + 1 prof. As you get into the higher level classes in your concentration, you’ll take similar tutorials and seminars.</p>

<p>7) Does it ever take an inordinate amount of time to walk from one side of the huge campus to another?</p>

<p>The campus isn’t that big. I’d be very surprised if you ever have to walk more than 15 minutes to get to a class. Especially freshman year - most classes will be a 5-7 minute walk. There are also shuttles if you’re lazy :-P.</p>

<p>How good were the professors jfm? And what was your concentration, if you don’t mind the question?</p>

<p>I was Human Evolutionary Biology concentrator.</p>

<p>Had some fantastic professors - in particular:

  • Eric Jacobsen - Taught Chem 17 (intro to orgo), absolute beast + made the material really easy to comprehend. spent lots of time reviewing w/ undergrads
  • Richard Wrangham - I took a few classes with him in my concentration, he has such cool primate experience + theories, and a really nice guy
  • Pretty much all of the computer science profs I had - David Malan (actually a lecturer), Matt Welsh, Hanspeter Pfister, etc. All very accessible, love talking to undergrads, really focused on making courses dynamic + interesting.</p>

<p>I could go on, but those would probably be my top 5. On the other side of the coin, I did have a bottom 2-3 that were absolutely awful – most notably an applied math 21a professor who did nothing but prove useless stuff in barely understandable English, and a couple chem professors who were very dry + rather cold.</p>

<p>In the end, I think shopping period (and a willingness to be flexible in terms of when you take a certain class) will help you end up with more of the previous group, and fewer of the awful profs.</p>

<p>Hmm. Thanks. How did you go about picking your classes? Online rating sites, shopping, friend reports, etc?</p>

<p>I’d read through the course catalog and make a “shopping list” of ~10 classes to check out. During shopping period I’d also be emailing/talking to a lot of friends to get an idea for what seemed cool (and sharing my reviews of the classes I saw). </p>

<p>That (along with schedule conflicts) would help me narrow it down to 4 or 5 - hopefully well balanced between lecture vs. seminar classes, paper vs. problem set classes, etc.</p>

<p>I’m going to throw in my own answers:</p>

<p>1) I loved the idea of the “houses,” but what are freshman dorms and the individual dorms in the houses like?</p>

<p>The freshmans dorms are pretty and generally luxurious (though accommodations vary by dorm). They do have much, much less group spirit than the upperclass Houses do (which is natural!) It’s fairly common for Harvard alumni, even those who graduated decades ago, to identify at least a little with their upperclass house.</p>

<p>2) What is the library like? Are there any comfortable, plush places to study and “chill” there? Any coffee, food, in them?</p>

<p>This has been well answered, but the library you want to go to, if you want food and coffee, is definitely Lamont (which is 24 hours and has the aforementioned cafe).</p>

<p>3) The school felt HUGE. Does the ways of breaking it down, such as the freshman dining hall, really make a difference, and how much is the balance of focus on graduate students’ side?</p>

<p>The size of Harvard’s grad schools almost NEVER negatively impact undergraduate life. It’s not as though your professors wander off in the middle of their lectures to teach graduate classes, or as if graduate students show up in your dining hall. Harvard builds extraordinary small communities- Houses, classes, blocking groups- and that’s what your life tends to focus around. The fact that over 20,000 are affiliated with “Harvard University” doesn’t alter your everyday life.</p>

<p>Having said that there are immense POSITIVE benefits to attending a school with a large graduate program, especially if you are in the sciences. Finding top-notch research labs could not be easier.</p>

<p>4) Is the bustle of Cambridge sometimes too much. I’m coming from NYC and I feel like I want a somewhat quiet college town…</p>

<p>I’m from Manhattan myself (though I grew up in an NYC suburb), and guarantee that Cambridge will FEEL like a quiet college town in comparison :)</p>

<p>In all seriousness, I admit I get tired of walking through fairly busy intersections just to get to a morning class, but it is very easy to consign yourself to a tranquil library or courtyard if you’re tired of the bustle. Furthermore, the downside is nothing compared to the upside of having everything you need in such short range.</p>

<p>5) The general education requirements sound quite stringent. Are they? Can it be annoying/hard to fulfill them? Is foreign language a requirement? (I have taken AP Spanish at my school)</p>

<p>Good question. They are not unusually stringent- many of my friends at other universities had more serious requirements- and while they are very far from my favorite part of my academic experience, they are not that difficult to fulfill. </p>

<p>While just<em>forget</em>me and I were under the Core Curriculum, you’ll be under Gen Ed, so the relevant site is here:</p>

<p>[Program</a> in General Education](<a href=“http://webdocs.registrar.fas.harvard.edu/ugrad_handbook/current/chapter2/gened.html]Program”>http://webdocs.registrar.fas.harvard.edu/ugrad_handbook/current/chapter2/gened.html)</p>

<p>If you have questions about a particular category (Aesthetic and Interpretive Understanding, Culture and Belief), let us know!</p>

<p>Language requirement: </p>

<p>6) Is all the teaching by TAs good? Do you ever get taught by real professors?</p>

<p>A common misconception is that most of Harvard’s teaching is done by TAs, which could not be more untrue. Almost all of the teaching is done by real professors, who teach every lecture in a class. These are, as just<em>forget</em>me syas, supplemented by sections taught by TFs, where students are in smaller groups and are encouraged towards discussion and problem-solving (which is almost impossible in a lecture hall that might have 100+ people). All professors are also required to provide office hours, where students can come to them and discuss the course.</p>

<p>Rare exceptions include a number of courses in the math department, where the students are divided into groups and taught entirely by TFs. This makes sense as a teaching model, since it is very difficult to lecture on calculus and linear algebra to a class of a few hundred people- it is better if people can ask questions. A very few classes are taught by lecturers rather than professors, who are permanent teaching positions that usually require a doctorate but do not involve research.</p>

<p>To give an idea of this distribution- of the 32 classes I took as an undergraduate, 27 were taught by a professor (including all lectures), 2 were taught by lecturers, 2 (Math 21a and 21b) were divided up and taught by TFs, and 1, Ec 10, was lectured partly by a professor and then partly divided into individually taught sections. So it’s a complete myth that professors are distant aliens who never show up in undergraduate life.</p>

<p>7) Does it ever take an inordinate amount of time to walk from one side of the huge campus to another? </p>

<p>The three houses in the Quad: Cabot, Currier, and Pforzheimer, are a significant distance (about a 10 minute walk) away from the rest of the campus. I was lucky enough not to end up in the Quad :), but as I work in the Biolabs, which is the opposite extreme of the campus from my dorm, Kirkland, I regularly take 15-20 minute walks across campus. I would certainly not consider that distance “inordinate,” but it is up to your judgment!</p>

<p>Prefrosh weekend is coming up- if anyone has more questions and is interested in arranging a quick meeting or coffee on Friday, let me know!</p>

<p>Admiral - my D took Math 21a/21b this year and they were taught by a professor (Oliver Knill) with TFs covering sections, so the distribution may be even better if you had started as a frosh this year. ;-)</p>