<p>bethievt,</p>
<p>I've submitted three applications already. I have finished the two essays for the fourth. I'll send it in the mail next week.</p>
<p>I'd love to have to speak with you, but I probably couldn't afford your fees. Thanks for the offer, though, I appreciate it.</p>
<p>Besides, it's the weekend. What, do you think I study 24/7/365 like the stereotype?</p>
<p>fabrizio:</p>
<p>I don't believe race should be considered as a factor in admissions just as I don't think gender should be considered or height. None of these factors impact one's ability to learn or perform which is a key as to why they should receive no consideration. The factors that affect ability to perform academically, even those the individual has no control over, 'should' be considered. These could be innate intelligence or even physiology if the person is being admitted largely due to their skills in particular sports (let's face it - that's a significant factor as to why some people are being admitted at some schools).</p>
<p>The elimination of racial descrimination has had an effect on the racial makeup of the top UCs with the resultant being that whites and AfAms have lost share and Asians have gained share. So beit. Those groups now know that if they want to be admitted in higher numbers to those schools they'll simply need to perform better according to the school's requirements and can't count on their race as a boost. They'll also know that if they're accepted, it was on their own merit without being given an artificial 'boost' just because of their race. Rather than complaining about the large proportion of Asian admits, they should simply look at what's working for that group and apply it to themselves if their goal is to be accepted at those non-AA locations. </p>
<p>
[quote]
Back to the real world: the African-American kid who went to an inner-city high school is probably as bright as the WASP kid who scored 100 points higher on the SAT;
[/quote]
Remove the racial references from the above statement and I'll agree with the conclusion.</p>
<p>kluge:
I've read on the boards a number of times how some Asians don't want to attend UCI because in their mind it's 'too Asian'. I think UCI has a disproportionate number of Asians largely due to its academic requirements along with its location in Orange County which has a huge Asian population although I'm sure some may be going there because the racial makeup appealed to them. UCI has a large commuter population. UCSB (and CalPoly SLO) has a much larger residential population due to it's remoteness from a major population center. This may affect the racial makeup somewhat since it effectively costs more to attend if one is to be residential rather than a commuter.</p>
<p>ucsd<em>ucla</em>dad,</p>
<p>I appreciated your response.</p>
<p>
[quote]
Rather than complaining about the large proportion of Asian admits, they should simply look at what's working for that group and apply it to themselves if their goal is to be accepted at those non-AA locations.
[/quote]
Couldn't we just change Asian to Caucasian and say the same thing about elite college admissions? Like this : Rather than complaining about the large proportion of Caucasian admits, they should simply look at what's working for that group and apply it to themselves if their goal is to be accepted at those (schools). I'm not suggesting that, necessarily. </p>
<p>I don't think anyone needs to copy anything, or follow any particular formula just to appeal to elite schools. Seems to me to be counter-productive in the long run. Just go someplace else and be true to yourself. My D always thought "If they don't want me, then I don't want them." I think that's healthiest.</p>
<p>curm:</p>
<p>I think the races in my comment you quoted can be changed as applicable depending on the particular institution. What I meant to say was that rather than worrying about racial aspects, if one's goal is to attend, for example, UCB, and they see that UCB has a high proportion of Asians versus other groups, maybe they should try to understand 'why' there's such a high proportion of Asians there and emulate those aspects. This could be higher SAT scores, certain ECs, etc. If the individual decides they're not interested in those aspects, then they'll probably conclude they're not really so interested in that school either and likely just choose another school they think will fit them better.</p>
<p>I agree that your D's thought is a healthy one. My Ds had the same attitude.</p>