<p>What's your point? Are you implying that holding athletes to high academic standards is a bad thing? To quote an earlier article that ran in the D, "Football players that are waltzing into Harvard couldn't get into Dartmouth." The football and basketball players I have met at Dartmouth have all been friendly and intelligent, and I for one would rather have a slightly worse team than have to put up with a bunch of stuck up jerks for four years.</p>
<p>Also, "better financial aid." How exactly can Harvard, Yale, and Princeton give better financial aid? Everybody in the Ivy League is obligated to give need-based aid only.</p>
<p>While financial aid at all of these schools are nned based, I think he means better aid in terms that Princeton has removed the loan component from their financial aid, Harvard and Yale's(announced today) initiatives in substantially lowering their family contribution for families making under 60K , Yale has gone as far as making a "0" efc for families making under $45K. Yale has not removed the loan component.</p>
<p>Yes, but, as Sybbie notes, you can determine need differently. </p>
<p>When colleges say they'll meet full demonstrated need, it has two asterisks beside it. First, it needs to be demonstrated--and they'll be the one judging such a demonstration. Second, they'll 'meet' it through a variety of ways--loans, grants, work-study, etc. Both of these aspects of financial aid are essentially up to the school. As long as they don't go below the FAFSA-determined level, they're ok. </p>
<p>Let's say Princeton and Dartmouth both cost about the same--let's say $42,000 a year, just to simplify things. If Princeton determines John Q. Student's need to be $12,000, it can give John $30,000 in grants. Dartmouth can determine the need to be, say $17,000. It will give John $18,000 in grants, $5,000 in loans, and $2,000 in work study. Thus, though both college's have theoretically met all of John's need, at Princeton he'll pay $12,000, while at Dartmouth he'll have to pay $24,000.</p>
<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I think you mean that John Q's </p>
<p>[ul]
Cost of attendance $42,000</p>
<p>EFC is 17,000</p>
<p>Demonstrated need is 25,000</p>
<p>[/ul]</p>
<p>Need is met in the following manner:</p>
<p>[ul]
**$18,000 in grants</p>
<p>$5,000 in loans</p>
<p>$2,000 in work study **</p>
<p>[/ul]</p>
<p>while John's out of pocket expense at Princeton is $12,000 </p>
<p>[ul]
**Cost 42,000</p>
<p>EFC 12 000</p>
<p>Need 30,000 all met with grants no loans **</p>
<p>[/ul]</p>
<p>At Princeton John pays $12,000 out of pocket </p>
<p>At Dartmouth John pays $22,000+ out of pocket for one year ($17,000 up front, $5,000 plus interest at a later date) </p>
<p>Probably will be 24,000 after the interest especially if an unsubsidized loan stretched out over 10 years after deferred payments for undergrad and grad school.</p>
<p>Yeah, you're right. I'm so long out of that game I tend to forget...</p>
<p>Although the $24,000 includes the work study, which I consider "paying."</p>
<p>You're right because the work study allocation is not being 'given' to you. I remember at the beginning of the year you wrote about how hard you worked over the summer, so it does not get easier.</p>
<p>Is this still true?
Im looking to transfer to Dartmouth next year but money might be an issue</p>
<p>An older, but still relevant, article from the Review discusses how the AI affects recruiting throughout the Ivy League:</p>
<p>Provides some general context for the Dartmouth-specific issues outlined in the more recent Review article.</p>
<p>The Review's position on academics vs. athletics may have shifted somewhat over the years. The older Review article appears to be critical of the Ivy League's emphasis on competitive athletic teams:
[quote]
"Ivy League schools are sending the wrong message through their increasing commitment to fielding top sports teams...the pursuit of national titles inevitably will lead to the watering down of the field of accepted students, which may, down, the road, deprive all of the best Ivy League education"
[/quote]
Yet the more recent Review article seems to be appears to be critical of Dartmouth for raising academic standards at the expense of football recruitment.</p>
<p>anyone have any idea why the dartreview website does not work on my computer at all?? i've been trying to get on for no joke like 6 months and it just comes up with an error message every time.. any ideas?</p>
<p>I think it's important to note that there is a big difference between the Dartmouth Review and The Dartmouth. The Dartmouth Review, like the Dartmouth Free Press, is loosely politically-associated and can be very biased at times. The Dartmouth, on the other hand, is our official college newspaper.</p>
<p>I would neither call it the "official college paper", nor imply that it is always free of bias!</p>
<p>Corbett:
Like they say to our presidential candidates: It's the economy, stupid! The 528 schools have embarked on a misguided plan that freezes the middle class out of their schools, not on the basis of athletics or academics, but on the basis of a faulty demonstrated need concept. Since they have agreed only to compete with each other, they are ignoring what goes on in the rest of the country where merit scholarships for deserving scholars and athletes are a big attraction. These schools do not have a monopoly on a fine education or a great college experience.</p>