<p>Following CC’s eternal obsession with rankings, it is interesting to look back at 1966. Here is a list of Ivy League schools in order of average SATs for the class entering in 1966. It’s from The American Counsel on Education’s "American Colleges and Universities (10th ed.)
(adapted from poster Willow55 full list )</p>
<p>Harvard 1389
Yale 1380
Columbia 1344
Brown 1330
Dartmouth 1323
Princeton 1321
Cornell 1313
Penn 1309</p>
<p>Again, Brown and Dartmouth are solidly in the middle of the ivies (always). Cornell and Penn, well we know. But Princeton? Curious…</p>
<p>In 1966, LACs (if you counted women's colleges) would have crowded out the top ten spots and most of the top twenty. This is the chief reason Mel Elfin the creator of the USNews poll, made separate rankings for research unis and LACs -- so the Ivies wouldn't look so bad.^^</p>
<p>^^^Hmm....I am missing something.... These rankings have nothing to do with US News polls.....and this thread has nothing to do with LACs either.</p>
<p>^^^Hmm....I am missing something.... These rankings have nothing to do with US News polls.....and this thread has nothing to do with LACs either.<</p>
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<p>Oh, please. First you crib this list from another CC thread w/o any attribution, then shamelessly cherry pick only the Ivy stats (even though, in some cases you have to go to nearly the bottom of the list to do so.)</p>
<p>Yes, I'd say you are missing something and hopefully you will pick it up during your stay at Brown.</p>
<p>Dude, u need to chill. Credit was given to the poster who provided the general information. I was interested in comparing Ivies and I CHOSE to look at those schools ONLY (could u read the title of the thread that you are so blatantly trying to derail?)</p>
<p>Stick to your LACs and keep dwelling on your US News conspiracy theory. I could not care less!</p>
<p>In that spirit, allow me to speculate that Princeton's low finish in 1966 reflects the widely held view at the time, that it was the most anti-Semitic of the Ivies.</p>
<p>That, and the fact that there were about a dozen LACs better than it was.</p>
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It has a lot more to do with.......nah.... I won't bother.
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<p>I would agree that Brown kicks Cornell's ass, but still this list does nothing to help the argument unless you honestly think a very small difference on the SAT is evidence.</p>
<p>I am impressed most by Columbia's place near the top. Really reinforces the idea that Columbia has fallen a bit and been edged out by Princeton.</p>
<p>I agree with you brand_182. The small point difference is not really significant. It is just a list, that's all. Columbia and Princeton are the interesting ones because of their relative places and because of how much things have changed in the last 30 years...</p>
<p>Precisely. Brown kicks Cornell's ass because it's smaller, is more diverse, has a more innovative faculty -- hey, it almost reminds me of another college I know.</p>
<p>Columbia suffered a much publicized police riot in 1968 from which it took a good fifteen years to recover. Wesleyan's Sociology Dept was lifted in one fell swoop from Columbia's that same year.</p>
<p>SAT Range 25/75 percentile
verbal; math and respective national rank</p>
<p>Harvard University 700-790;700-790 2
Yale University 700-780;700-780 4
Princeton University 680-770;690-790 6
Dartmouth College 670-770;690-780 8
Columbia University 670-760;670-780 11
University of Pennsylvania 650-740;680-760 19
Brown University 650-760;660-760 19
Cornell University 630-730;660-760 24</p>
<p>Yes. Dartmouth also in a typical year has more NMSC Merit Scholars as a percentage of its entering class than Columbia or Penn- the cream of the cream of the crop (top 2,500 students in the United States out of millions who are eligible to receive it), in fact. Yale and Harvard are about 18% NMSC scholars each, Princeton a bit less, Dartmouth around 7% and the other Ivies in the 2-4% range. Although it can fluctuate in certain years, %NMSC is pretty much the best measure of selectivity out there.</p>
<p>Example:</p>
<p>% of freshman class who were NMSC sponsored NM Scholars, 2005 (selected schools)</p>
<p>posterX, I disagree with you about
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<p>Also, if i recall correctly, the University of Florida is the second school in the country with the highest number of NM Scholars, after Havard. The school has actively pursued National Merit students in the past in order to boast their prestige. The students have been offered lots of money to attend, privileges etc which worked well until last year. This year, there was a policy change.</p>