<p>I can't really speak to the Canadian system, but what we have in the US is unacceptable.</p>
<p>That is not what the articles said, they were talking about the govt putting overall regulation on the industry, so we can assume if they will have these ideas amd influence on the private sector, they will be a given in the public sector.</p>
<p>Capitalism is the reason why the best doctors come from America, its been proven people will always work harder and study more with promise of proper compensation. The reason why the rich worldwide come to America for the absolute BEST. What doctors should make is based on markets, its not something that should be regulated by govt, the doctor shortage will be even worse than it is now. Under a socialized system, you may have been rushed out of a office or not given the proper treatment. Doctors are humans and they make mistakes, you cant blame those general mistakes on a system. Though if there is a very high number of mistakes then you can. Which you can see in socialized medicine.</p>
<p>Have I live in a socialized place, no. have I been in a socialized state and gotten medical care, yes. First hand I can see, that the health care system is better, but that says absolutely nothing about the actual health care. ther whole point of the movie sicko was not to say anything bad about American health care, he and many others have admitted that Americas Health care is the best world wide, but its Health Care system is lacking. But of course the majority of idiots took it that Americas Health Care was bad. The System may not be perfect, but the health care is the best and second to none.</p>
<p>IN the video you posted, the problem is that govt regulation forces people to come to a emergency room for non emergency situations. Remember this is not a govt free system we are in now. So there are many more patients in the ER then are supposed to be. If I go to the ER here, they don't even bother asking for insurance anymore, because nobody has it and the ER is filled with kids with holds and BS reasons. If there was no govt regulation nd thus everybody could afford the insurance they choose, ERs world be for the real emergency and clinics and GP offices would be filled. the reason that lady was not cared for is that there are to many people in the ER without tru em,emergency needs. if you have socialized medicine, everybody will be going to the ER for every possible reason, which will inevitable have higher costs via taxes and worse service and care.</p>
<p>I think what we have in America is great and if the govt would lax regulations the the prices for insurance would again go down and we can have a better market bases system like years ago that is the envy of the world, the system that is.</p>
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Have you ever lived in Europe, or just read the news about it? I haven't lived in Europe - I'll admit that - but I lived in Uzbekistan (a long time ago, when the medicine was still mostly government-subsidized), and I remember having far fewer problems with doctors than I do now.
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My aunt is living in France for the past 30 years. She couldn't stand the healthcare system there.<br>
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How about the majority of German colleges?
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Didn't you say you want the best students to be able to go to some great universities instead of some mediocre ones? Well, name one great university in Germany. It's a catch 22. You can't have great and free universities.</p>
<p>"they were talking about the govt putting overall regulation on the industry"</p>
<p>And then the articles went on to talk about insurance costs, at which point I stopped reading them</p>
<p>"Capitalism is the reason why the best doctors come from America"</p>
<p>You're confusing "from" with "to." Of all "American" doctors, I've had the best experiences with ones coming from overseas. I don't know anything about the US ER, since I've never (thankfully) had to visit it, but I've found this to be generally true for most other doctors I've interacted with. I'm sure there are brilliant doctors coming out of every single country; I've just had better experiences with foreign doctors.</p>
<p>"its been proven people will always work harder and study more with promise of proper compensation"</p>
<p>But this also means that the field attracts tons of idiots who are there just for the money - the same ones who will study night and day to get a 35 on the MCAT. Are they working hard to become doctors for the sake of being good doctors, or for the sake of getting a six-figure income? You can't be a good doctor without being passionate about saving or improving lives. </p>
<p>"First hand I can see, that the health care system is better, but that says absolutely nothing about the actual health care"</p>
<p>If you've seen first-hand that the health care system is better, why are we still arguing?</p>
<p>"If there was no govt regulation nd thus everybody could afford the insurance they choose, ERs world be for the real emergency and clinics and GP offices would be filled."</p>
<p>It seems that having a socialized system where no one needed insurance would solve the problem of overfilled ERs just as well. </p>
<p>"the reason that lady was not cared for is that there are to many people in the ER without tru em,emergency needs"</p>
<p>The reason that woman was not taken care of was because of incompetence and negligence of doctors. When a patient is having seizures on the floor, it takes a doctor as dumb as a rock to walk by and "not see it" due to the crowding in the waiting area. And by the way, did you really see a crowd in that area? I didn't think so.</p>
<p>"Well, name one great university in Germany."</p>
<p>University of Munich
Technical University of Munich
University of Freiburg
University of Heidelberg
University of Goettingen
University of Bonn</p>
<p>Add to that all the Danish and French universities, as well as all English universities, which are nearly-free for residents of England.</p>
<p>Well yeah they talked about insurance costs even medicaid and medicare are insurance companies. So maybe you should go back and read.</p>
<p>Thats just your opinion or preference, some girls like to get tied up and raped, it doesn't make it the mob opinion.</p>
<p>You cant be a idiot and become a doctor and if you can then the tests and schooling are just to easy. I disagree with the notion that you cant be a good doctor without caring or saving lives. If money determines you to be the best, you will be the best, it doesn't matter. Do you think the best lawyers care for their clients. No way, they care about the money and that's what makes them the best. The ones who care do absolutely nothing and become public defenders or clerks. Money drives, people don't do anything unless there is proper compensation. How many doctors give there huge paychecks to charity's and to run free clinics, im sure the best in the world don't.</p>
<p>We are arguing because you say somehow the health care is better in foreign nations when its not.n We are arguing because I have proven why health care costs are high and why socialized medicine fails and the only option is to revert to earlier times in American history where government as hands off this industry. Its the only option, is to let doctors be doctors.</p>
<p>How would it solve tyhe problem, when there is absolutly zero resistance in going to a ER. Everybody will be at the ER for every possible reason because its free. My toe hurts, i have a cough, my through itches, and we will see 300 people in line like at the dmv at the ER while the waits are sometimes 3-4 m,onths long to see a GP. These doctors are being killed, Many</a> doctors planning to cut hours or quit</p>
<p>Germany's system of higher education has been in crisis for some time</p>
<p>The</a> German Way - Universities
Access</a> : : Nature
IngentaConnect</a> The Institutional Crisis of the German Research University
NEJM</a> -- Doctors on Strike -- The Crisis in German Health Care Delivery</p>
<p>Please, Nothing is free and if something is, you are just taking advantage of sombody else to make it free for you. So who will you exploit.</p>
<p>"Thats just your opinion or preference, some girls like to get tied up and raped, it doesn't make it the mob opinion."</p>
<p>Ok, now I'm out of here. If you can't argue respectfully without comparing my opinion to a sex fetish, I don't want to hear what you have to say. Besides, when a debate comes down to petty insults like this, it means that you likely have little more actual substance to add.</p>
<p>How was it a insult, it wansnt even referring to you. I just said that just because its your opinion that foreign doctors are better doesn't make it right as it is in direct opposition to the mob opinion. Just as some women like to be raped, but id agree the vast majority don't.</p>
<p>To respond to Dr. Horse's education arguments, Germany's problems can be resolved by increasing admission standards, not costs. They are having problems because they are letting far too many kids attend.</p>
<p>"Nothing is free and if something is, you are just taking advantage of sombody else to make it free for you."</p>
<p>Of course nothing is free. But education is not a handout - it's an investment. By giving free education to its youth, German taxpayers are ensuring that there will be specialists and professionals to pay for the future generation's education, and so on. You get the education for free, but you basically pay it off when you begin working and paying taxes.</p>
<p>"How was it a insult, it wansnt even referring to you."</p>
<p>Might want to think about the way you word things before you post them.</p>
<p>So if you increase admission standards in which currently there are none. Then only a select few students get to go to university and then what happens to those who don't make it. Sounds like a capitalistic system rather than a social one. So the solution is individualism rather than collectivism, im astonished.</p>
<p>As the articles say, some German students are spending near a decade in university, and the majority due this. The students have no reason to work hard and work fast, they has lounge and work/study as they please for as long as they want, This makes and shows lazy students who are not goal oriented and have no clear objectives. having students who drift through a decade of school seems very expensive for the tax payers, seems like a bad investment to me.</p>
<p>Do you think there wont be specialists and professionals in America when you are older. if the money is there, then they will be. Education worldwide is failing, and you are right throwing more money at it never works, I belive like you in a capitalistic education system.</p>
<p>Starting from Kindergarten, if your parents don't want you to go to school or you don't then just don't go. I don't believe in forcing people to go to school no matter what the age. if you don't want middle and then HS then thats fine also. Id love to watch those people rot, because lazy people deserve it and bad parents need to be finished for doing ****ty jobs.</p>
<p>Looks like something is being done.
L.A</a>. OKs moratorium on fast-food restaurants - American City Business Journals - MSNBC.com</p>