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Allowing a “line” to be established by Junior Officers to measure the commanding officer of a Naval vessel is a very precarious precedence. I am sure senior Naval leadership is abuzz and it is not only about unfit skippers.</p>
<p>Is this a telling sexist statement by Captain Shoultz:
Why would one confront an aggressive officer? Probably a positive attribute on many fitreps. Why would one wish to confront a hard-charging officer. Definitely a positive attribute on any fitrep. Does it only become confrontable when it is an agressive, hard-charging female as he states? Do their acceptable criteria for proper behavior become more stringent?</p>
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<p>Much to my chagrin, I control neither the press nor the timing of USNA/USN scandals. </p>
<p>The Marcus Curry affair is an embarrassment to the USNA and and clear indication that the administration is clueless, and is looking to win football games over honor and integrity. The Capt Graf affair also brings to light some of the “Navy bad” things that you would rather hide under the bush, keeping some of the (bad) realities of the USN hidden from potential candidates?</p>
<p>They (USNA) seem to be getting a lot of attention for a lot of things lately that do not paint them in the best light (the above incidents, plus the Mid charged with sexual solicitation of a minor, and the two or three in the past 9 months that have been charged with theft) and yes, that is relevant to a young person who may be soon taking a decision on applying or accepting to a an institution that is slowly being tarnished by the actions of those running it, a few of those attending it, and a few of those graduating from it.</p>
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<p>Not at all. If a CO is violating the law, and/or Naval Regulations, the Junior Officers have an obligation to the oath they took to defend the Constitution of the United States. Fortunately, the Navy usually does a pretty good job of ensuring that officers who do not have the ability to command are not put into these special positions of trust and confidence. It appears that in this case the system failed.</p>
<p>But, back to the point of my line of thinking. “What does any of this have to do with answering questions about the admissions process at USNA?”</p>
<p>If your goal - and that of the others perpetuating this thread - is to drive absolutely everyone over to the “other” forum for answers, where I note that several posters with the same handle (including me) post regularly, then I think you’re succeeding.</p>
<p>How about if you guys just trade email addresses and continue your grudge match privately? ;)</p>
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<p>Having another human being spit in your face is a line that ANY junior officer should not have to draw. And NO loyalty is owed to anyone who does that to another. Period. </p>
<p>How many people have you allowed to spit in your face, USNA69/mombee? </p>
<p>I suppose your reaction would be “thank you sir, may I have another?” :rolleyes:</p>
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<p>Right. You don’t make the news, you just report it. You’re just helping the kids who are making their decision to be fully informed. How noble of you. :)</p>
<p>“I” am not hiding anything, or asking that anything be swept under the carpet, bush or kept in the closet. In fact, I completely support the reporting of these things as both cautionary tales to others and proof that the system does weed bad people out. I just don’t think we need to ride this hobby horse into the ground as is your apparent wont.</p>
<p>I have conducted dozens of interviews since becoming a BGO. Not once, not ever has a candidate told me he wants to go to USNA because we have a winning football team. Not once, not ever has the subject of scandals come up during an interview.</p>
<p>So, I have to ask you again, how does this help kids with questions about admission to USNA?</p>
<p>^^^^ it doesn’t.</p>
<p>Candidates-
take a lesson here and move on.
Open a thread with some questions that we can help you with.
Believe it or not, you can find very valuable information on here.
As long as you don’t get caught up in all the flotsam.</p>
<p>USNA84- you get an “A” for effort.</p>
<p>Luigi- can we drop this now-
granted, I will be the first to support entering into academy- ANY academy- with “eyes wide open”… but the Academy of yesteryear is not the academy of today. Perfect? No- no one makes that claim. But the objective remains that.
Bad apples? yup- some. Most get found before commissioning, seems the few that might slip through get found somewhere along the line. Still a lot of great folks graduating from this place, doing a lot of really good work to protect the rest of us who snear and smirk when ONE goes astray. And you are right- it is embarrassing, and it is a shame, no matter what perspective you look at it from. For every one of those, however, I would say, are THOUSANDS of others that have held up their end of the bargain. </p>
<p>Lets turn this forum back to the candidates, what do you think? Truce???</p>
<p>agree …truce, please. This is doing none any good. None. Any # on this thread might be deemed unfit for command, mutineers. Thankfully none of us merits those roles here on the USS CC. :eek:</p>
<p>Seriously …deep breaths, quit.</p>
<p>Let’s each pledge to get a grip. And be a productive, positive contributor to sharing information that might in fact inform and assist prospective candidates, candidates and their supporting families and cast …for the good of the Academy, the Navy, and our great nation.</p>
<p>Let it go …for the good of all.</p>
<p>STOPPP!!!</p>
<p>I had this buried almost to the bottom of the page, and now look what you have done!!! :rolleyes:</p>
<p>you’re keeping it up! 
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<p>an approach of “bury it in BS” fails too. </p>
<p>Let’s appeal to our common thread. </p>
<p>To serve others more than ourselves. Now there’s a challenge …for me, first.</p>
<p>NO!!! I just had it down by 5!!! Now look what you have done!!!</p>
<p>sheesh…</p>
<p>yea, uh huh. Keep it rolling.</p>
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<p>terrific. let the mods do their jobs.</p>
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<p>And again, I answered it already.</p>
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<p>FYI - this thread was not started by me, but by none other than a USNA grad.</p>
<p>Yeah, I know “Zaphod”, who I am given to understand was banned here, but has been reborn as “XCI_Wraith”, started this thread.</p>
<p>Can you please just stop?</p>
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If the alternative is to allow posters who have absolutely no ties to USNA and who have admitted that they are attempting to paint the USNA in the worst possible light by posting total fabrications in line with those of conspiracy theorists, in order to draw candidates away, then the answer is yes. I will not standby and watch the Navy and USNA slandered and their motives questioned by those who dont have a clue. </p>
<p>And yes, if anyone, you included, wants to discuss why a JO who has been yelled at, accidentally touched, or the inadvertent target of a stray bit of dribble no longer has to follow the orders of their senior, I would like to discuss it. I would also like to know what you did on those three occasions when those standing behind you in formation cheered at the relief of a Commanding Officer. By PM of course.</p>
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<p>Well, most are not total fabrications, but they are also not helpful to candidates seeking advice or more true if repeated again, and again. They are pointless.</p>
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<p>I didn’t say they didn’t have to follow orders. I said they have an obligation to the oath they took that’s bigger than the loyalty to a CO violating Naval Regs.</p>
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LOL. Nice diplomatic way of stating it.</p>
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<p>In starting this thread, it was NOT my intention to begin a flame war, or to throw the service of all women into question, or to raise the issue of Political Correctness, or anything of the kind.</p>
<p>It was simply as stated in the OP: to provide candidates who may one day find themselves in positions of leadership an example of how NOT to do it, that even lousy people can reach the top, and that sometimes they end up paying for it after all.</p>
<p>That’s all. Period. The end.</p>
<p>Yes, there have been lousy male officers (I worked for a few). Yes, other leaders have been verbally colorful. None of this is denied. In this case, however, it was so over the top that I felt it deserved mention.</p>
<p>I regret it has become the usual flamefest. I will now bow out because I’ve sworn not to participate in any similar bickering again. Hopefully the candidates will read and heed, and if they learn something that they can apply later at USNA or anywhere else, then my intent will have been fullfilled.</p>
<p>Have a great one…</p>