<p>Hi everyone,
I'm an intl student from Australia, studying at a comm. college in MD.
I plan to transfer to either JHU or George Washington University for Fall 2005.
I was wondering if you could plz help me on one question.</p>
<p>Do international students compete against students from their own nationality, or are they in one pool where all the international students are in (regardless of nationality)?</p>
<p>Also, does having way more money than the allocated amount on the tuiton requirement greatly increase ones chances for admissions?
For example, if a college has a tuition of $30,000 and the student has $100,000 for example, does this increase ones chances greatly?</p>
<p>Unless you're giving the excess 60k to the admissions officer as a "gift", I doubt it will make much of a difference. The fact that you are not competing for financial aid, will mean that you are being evaluted solely on your merits. In comparison to all American students and other internationals who don't want financial aid.</p>
<p>First, at most schools, all internationals are grouped and evaluated together, not by country.</p>
<p>Second, at the vast majority of U.S. schools, ability to pay IS going to be a factor considered in international admissions. Need-blind schools, of which there are about 50 in the country, do not look at ability to pay in the admissions process, but all other schools will when it comes to evaluating internationals. At schools that don't offer any financial aid for internationals, the need for financial aid is going to disqualify you right off the bat. At schools offering SOME financial aid for internationals, they are most often going to choose to offer admissions and aid to the top applicants. Given a choice between two international applicants of equal merit, they will also be more likely to admit the one who requires LESS financial aid. Students who can pay "full freight" at both types of schools will have a better chance of being accepted. This is especially true today when US colleges are having trouble attracting qualified full-paying international students, and even international students in general.</p>
<p>Neither GWU or Johns Hopkins are need-blind for internationals. Both offer only VERY limited financial aid for internationals, if any.</p>
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<p>What are my chances? DO I stand a good chance because i am going to pay?<<</p>
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<p>I don't know your chances, but being able to pay is not unusual for international students. In fact, it is pretty much required, since most US universities will not give financial aid to foreign students.</p>
<p>I think it is really nice of coureur and carolyn to help us internationals out! Ur advice is highly appreciated!! The parents' forum is not only used by parents either.....and I think GreenStorm was just being sarcastic anyways...</p>
<p>I haven't told you much of anything. The only international here who didn't like my opinions was some guy named Lavka, whom I believe was kicked off of CC for writing abusive posts. Of course it is a violation of CC rules for banned posters to try to sneak back on under new identities.</p>
<p>You wouldn't happen to be the same person as Lavka, would you, GreenStorm?</p>
<p>hey does anyone know if williams college is completely need blind for international admissions? I was pretty sure they were, but now someone claims that the colleges (like harvard, princeton, yale, williams) say they are need-blind for internationals only to stay atop the rankings yet they actually deny admission to internationals seeking aid. Does anyone have any info to clarify this concern? thanks</p>
<p>I don't think they will do such thing... If they really say that they're need-blind, they will not take into consideration the applicants' ability to pay for admission...
So don't worry... If you're applying to all these need-blind schools, just be honest about how much financial aid you need...</p>
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<li><p>Intn'l students are scrutinize by school, country and then against the rest of the world in that order. School ussually have a quota for international students as well as a quota for nations, top Ivies ussually accepted around 6-10%. They try to create a diverse body.</p></li>
<li><p>Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Colgate, Middlebury, Caltech, MIT and other need blind schools are 100% need blind. The Admissions office and the fin aid offfice are ussually blocks away, and they do NOT share information. There is no reference in the app indicating u are applying for financial aid, unless you write about it in an essay.</p></li>
<li><p>Having dough and applying to not need blind schools who DO offer financial aid increases your chances. For example DArtmouth, Kenyon and Stanford. They want to brag that they have a huge student population, but they want to do it the cheap way.</p></li>
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<p>I would not question Williams' claim. If they say that they will not turn down any applicant - domestic or international - because of his/her ability to pay, I fully beleive them. </p>
<p>For instance, in institutions that say they are not necessarily need-blind to internationals, if they find 2 intl candidates with equal merit and have a dilema in choosing one over the other, they will certainly use the 'ability to pay' factor to make the decision. Whereas in WHYP, the adcoms will have to somehow make the choice without any knowledge of money required. </p>
<p>That WHYP treat domestics and internationals on par where money is concerned does NOT necessarily mean that they evaluate/treat domestic and international students equally in every way. I mean, they might have a rough international quota in mind during selections, for reasons nothing to do with money.</p>
<p>I beleive these 4 colleges have gone need-blind for internationals only because they want to mop up the creme-de-la-creme of this world very early on in the game. Much before they come here for grad studies on assistanceships and fellowships. But they want only the creme-de-la-creme - like the say the top 20 from China or India, whereas they take the top 1000 from the United States. But hey, they dont claim to be international/world colleges. They are US institutions first and last. </p>
<p>Disclaimer: My son himself is applying as an international, although we reside in the US.</p>
<p>Again, 'not need-blind' does not mean that one can get into a top college only because one has the ability to pay. The first short list for internationals will surely be made entirely on a need-blind basis, and thereafter perhaps candidates will be selected off this short list based on ability to pay. I think if any intl student has a keen interest in any college, he/she must try to make that first cut, and leave the rest to fortune. </p>
<p>Please remember that many domestic students too have a problem with paying. Their assessed EFC might be high, but the family might not be in a position to pay that much. So they apply to a judicious mix of reaches and matches and safeties, depending on their stats and resume. Mostly the safeties are where they expect to certainly get generous merit money.</p>
<p>btw, getting into MIT being an int'l student is HARD! harder than if ur aren't. I read on their webpage that most of the int'l students that are accepted have won some kind of distinction. Last year only 100 of 2000something students were accepted. I would love to go to MIT, but its impossible, plus english being my second language... (which means my verbal SAT score is going to be lower)</p>
<p>I suppose u already knew this info.... and if u are actually planning on applying, then give it a shot because u will possibly have chances of being admitted.</p>
<p>For some colleges it is better to be an international aplicant, but I really think its a disadvantage, although the multicultural background helps.</p>
<p>"The Admissions office and the fin aid offfice are ussually blocks away, and they do NOT share information."</p>
<p>This makes no difference at all. The Common application asks if you are applying for aid right on the first page! You are mistaken about the meaning of "need blind." It DOES NOT mean your need for aid is hidden from them, which it is not; it simply means they do not take it into account (supposedly).</p>