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But why would it matter, in the first place, if it's "Easier" to get in early? The fact of the matter is that it's Harvard
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It matters only insofar as trying to increase your chances of getting in. If you're sure you want to go to H (Or Y, or Pton), you should probbaly apply ED/EA. It doesn't mean much other than that.</p>
<p>It is, however an important fact for potential applicants to understand, and, after all, a professed purpose this site is to serve the information needs of potential applicants with respect to college admissions.</p>
<p>No one is attacking Harvard's reputation here - least of all me!</p>
<p>I have a question then: Why is Yale's EA rate comparably lower than Harvard's then (perhaps not as much this year, but in previous years)? Shouldn't Yale operate by the same reasoning as you argue Harvard does? Why does Harvard, the institution with arguably more prestige, choose to make EA more of an advantage than Yale?</p>
<p>Byerley (or anyone else), would you hazard a guess at what the EA admit rate is for non-legacy (legacy admit rate is about 40%), non recruited athelete, non urm applicants from megalopolis and other major metro areas? How about overall admit rate? I imagine that 5.9% number will begin to look high.</p>
<p>Candidates from underrepresented places like rural areas have better chances to get in than do candidates from places like NYC. Lots of candidates from big cities get in because lots of students apply from big cities. Not those many students apply from states like ND and Miss., so when such students apply, they have higher chances of being accepted than do candidates from places where many students apply. Seems that I heard that one recent year, only one student applied from the entire state of Miss. The student got in.</p>
<p>Harvard enrollment by state (2003); looks like Wyoming, with 4 undergrads, is the place to come from currently!<a href="http://vpf-web.harvard.edu/budget/factbook/current_facts/undergrad_residence_4a.html%5B/url%5D">http://vpf-web.harvard.edu/budget/factbook/current_facts/undergrad_residence_4a.html</a></p>
<p>How come they don't release state statistics anymore for Harvard; they do regions now only (ie. midwest, northwest, southwest etc....) Representation by state gives a much more accurate and clear perspective.</p>
<p>to keep people in the dark, maybe?</p>
<p>byerly - do u know if other schools do the enrollment by state and happen to know their URL addresses? ive always been curious about these things and you know the most about colleges on this board =D so perhaps you know hehe</p>
<p>MIT has an enrollment by state list somewhere on its Web site; I saw the link here on CC. Always the least represented states are the most arid states in the Rocky Mountains and northern Great Plains--precisely the states with the lowest population densities.</p>
<p>... I give you,,, GEORGIA TECH!</p>
<p>(see p. 70 of the linked document)</p>
<p>man..898..:..screwed</p>
<p>"Beginning in early March, the 35-person full committee convenes to make the final determination on every applicant. Those discussions about individual applications might also continue for an hour or more before a vote."</p>
<p>10 hours/day 7 days a week for 28 days... in March; and a couple of days off takes us to notification day = 1960 hours (which is a little excessive isn't it?)</p>
<p>21500 RD apps/ 1960 hours = 11 decisions per hour = five minutes/app</p>
<p>IMHO, I don't think too many decisions take an hour for the entire committee...</p>
<p>Nor, do I think it works out according to my math. Most probably get 2 minutes, if that. (50-60 hour weeks, for 3 weeks; then some fancy sampling statistics for various balancing of the class;horse trading and whatever internal politics are necessary to keep the internal adcom rewarded for their grueling work. Or maybe each region has an allotment of students, and basically, each region gets its top 80% of its recs, and then the entire committee gets serious about only 200 or so (whatever the math works out to be) apps from different regions during the final week of March?) Isn't that how the real world works? </p>
<p>Or not; after all it's H, and the mystique is lovely!</p>
<p>from what i know, a strong contender might take 40 minutes for a full review...don't know how true is this though.</p>
<p>Since no one else is directly taking on my quesion above, about admission rates for unhooked, untipped academic applicants from major population centrs, I'll give it a shot. Factoring in for the early round all athletic recruits, male and female, especially including the big numbers for football; factoring in the 40% admit rate for legacies, most of whom apply early; factoring in desirable URMs, and considering new outreach strategies, and throwing in the talented offspring of development cases, celebs, and the rich and powerful; and trying to factor in geographical distribution requirements, since nearly every state is always represented; adding in the brilliant internationals always accepted, I'll hazard a guess that leaves a little less than 50% of the 840 or so EA slots, say 410 of the 4200 ea APPS, OR 9.75% For academically talented applicants from major pop. centers, where most of the apps come from. In the rd round, the percentage of hooked applicants is significantly less, but still there: 'we don't have anyone from the Dakotas yet' 'were behind last year in Hispanics' etc. Knock off say 200 from the remaining, what, 900 slots and you get a 3.8 admit rate for straight academic admits.</p>
<p>Are these numbers anything like correct, do you think?</p>
<p>that 3.8% number is for straight academic admits, meaning 1550+/780/780/780</p>
<p>...whatever happened to the 1400+ kids??? :-</p>
<p>In there with the 1550+s--and some do make it.</p>
<p>oops, I am one of the 1400 kids. or am i the only one? <em>weep</em></p>
<p>Yes, I think your analysis only makes sense idler. Has anyone ever met a non hooked 1430 Harvard admit?</p>