A2Wolves6's advising session for Business Students

Colleges and Universities A-Z Indiana University - Bloomington
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<p>OK, I initially made this thread to just advise people on their first year at IU and it turned into a "How to get a Kelley Degree in 2.5 years" thread, but there's lots of useful info in here so take what you want from it. I personally would stop when I have filled all your I-Core prerequisite classes because things then get a bit crazy (we're talking 21 credit semesters crazy).</p>

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<p>Every other day I'm getting a "what classes should I take?" question, all from business students who aren't Direct Admits that want to get into Kelley.</p>

<p>To get into Kelley, you have to take 3 of the 4 courses, BUS-K 201, BUS-X 100/BUS-G 100, MATH-M 118, or MATH-M 119.</p>

<p>I always suggest leaving MATH-M 119 out (average GPA = 2.2) as it is the lowest GPA of those courses by .5. In addition, take BUS-G 100 (average GPA = 3.4) over BUS-X 100 (average GPA = 3.0).</p>

<p>You have to take ENG-W 131 (or equivalent) as a freshman, so there's another required class to sign up for. I would suggest substituting ENG-W 170 (average GPA = 3.3) instead of ENG-W 131 (average GPA = 2.9).</p>

<p>So there's 12 of the maximum 34 credits you can take (27 required for admission). The rest of the courses are going to be in 2 categories; general electives and I-Core prerequisites.</p>

<p>I've found the average GPA for all the I-Core prerequisites. Here they are:</p>

<p>I-Core prerequisites:
BUS-X 220 3.9 (2 cr)
BUS-X 104 3.6
BUS-X 204 3.5
BUS-G 202 3.3 (2 cr)
BUS-X 201 3.2
ECON-E 370 3.0
ENG-W 131 2.9
BUS-K 201 2.8
BUS-L 201 2.8
BUS-A 100 2.7
MATH-M 118 2.7
BUS-A 202 2.5
ECON-E 201 2.5
BUS-A 201 2.3
MATH-M 119 2.3</p>

<p>Other classes of interest:<br>
BUS-G 100 3.4
BUS-X 100 3.0
ECON-E 202 2.7</p>

<p>On your schedule, you've already got the following 4 courses listed. You need to fill up the rest of the courses with the high GPA business courses in addition to the high GPA general elective courses, as building that GPA and getting into the business school is priority #1.</p>

<p>I would definitely suggest taking BUS-X 220, not only is it an easy A, but you can fit it in with any schedule as it's only 2 credits, and it enables you to the UCSO. The UCSO is where all Kelley employers post jobs, internships, and you have to take BUS-X 220 or BUS-X 420 (Senior-Level class) to get the UCSO enabled for you.</p>

<p>I would suggest BUS-X 104 or equivalent (I took CMCL-C 121). All communications classes grade fairly well. If you're looking for some general electives, CMCL-C 122 and CMCL-C 223 both are fairly easy A's.</p>

<p>BUS-X 204 is something to take second semester, you have to complete W131/W170 before you can register for it. I would also take BUS-X 201 second semester, because after K201 you won't want to stop doing technology work for a year rather just expand on what you learned in K201 and take X201.</p>

<p>The last issue is the accounting issue. IU requires A100 (1 cr), A201 and A202 before you can gain admission to Kelley. A100 is a prerequisite for A201 and A202. Ideally, you would like to pass on A100 your first semester (especially if you're taking K201), take it second semester freshman year. However, if you can take A201 or A202 at a local community college, you will have a HUGE leg up on A100 if you wait on it until the fall. My recommendation for taking on the accounting classes is to take A201 and if possible A202 as well at a community college, then come back for the fall and take A100. You will know accounting through your CC and then A100 will be cake for you.</p>

<p>I would take as many classes as you can over the summer and transfer them into IU. My CC offered A201, A202, L201, E201, E202, M118, M211 (equivalent to M119), and I took most of them. This avoids the "weed out" courses at IU, and fulfills your I-Core prerequisites (most of them). Going to a local CC over the summer is the best summer job you have, as you're eliminating a semester of room, board, tuition and travel. For OOS kids, this is over $16,000! That's $4000/month for the summer, you couldn't find a full-time summer job that pays that well, as that's about $23/hr for a 40 hour work week not factoring in taxes. </p>

<p>There's a few things I haven't addressed. First is ECON-E 370. This class has absolutely horrific reviews of the teacher on ratemyprofessors.com. Avoid it. There's tons of substitutions to it at IU, you can get a list from your advisor, but as I am aware you can substitute MATH-M 365 (what I did), MATH-K 310, PSY-K 310, and I think a couple other classes. Don't worry about this class until Sophomore year though, you need E201, M118, M119 completed first.</p>

<p>Second is the general electives. Honestly, I would just find a subject you're interested in, search the grade distribution database (it's under the Registrar's Website on the "Grades" link on the left side of the screen), and find a class/professor that grades easily to boost your GPA. There are so many ways to fulfill the general elective requirement that I couldn't possibly advise you certain classes. I know from experience that communications classes are fairly easy graders, also this is a vital skill to have. I really liked the Music classes and there's some real interesting curriculum at IU which has an amazing Music school.</p>

<p>So here's a potential schedule:</p>

<p>FALL
BUS-K 201 (average GPA = 2.8)
ENG-W 170 (average GPA = 3.3)
BUS-X 104 (average GPA = 3.6)
GEOL-G 103 (average GPA = 3.6) (or other G.E.)
MUS-Z 401 (average GPA = 3.4) (or other G.E.)
BUS-X 220 (average GPA = 3.9)</p>

<p>Comments = K201 is by far the most difficult class this semester. X220 enables the UCSO. W170 fulfills the freshman year writing requirement.</p>

<p>SPRING
MATH-M 118 (average GPA = 2.7)
BUS-G 100 (average GPA = 3.4)
BUS-G 202 (average GPA = 3.3)
BUS-X 201 (average GPA = 3.2)
BUS-X 204 (average GPA = 3.5)
CMCL-C 122 (average GPA = 3.4) (or other G.E.)</p>

<p>Comments = I have mixed feelings about Finite Math. I don't think it's that hard, but others who struggle with math think it's impossible. It will be your hardest class this semester. G100 fulfills the last of your Kelley requirements. X201 is there so you remember some material from K201. </p>

<p>SUMMER
BUS-A 201
BUS-A 202
BUS-L 201
ECON-E 201
ECON-E 202
MATH-M 119/M 211</p>

<p>Comments = The great thing about summer session is that at most universities/colleges, there's two of them. You could take 3 classes the first session, 3 classes the second. Most CC's will have all these classes available, with the exception of Business Law.</p>

<p>FALL
BUS-A 100
MATH-M 365
G.E. classes (up to 13 credits)</p>

<p>Comments = A100 and E370/M365 are the only classes left before I-Core, which you'll take in the Spring. You're at 52 credits going into this semester, and after it you could have up to 69 if you take the maximum your flat tuition rate will pay for in 17 credits.</p>

<p>SPRING
I-Core
G.E. class</p>

<p>Comments = Good luck! You can actually take an additional course if you want, since I-Core is 14 credits, and maybe for your sanity you will want to. This could even be BUS-Z 302 if you want, since you have Junior Standing. If you take 17 credits, you're up to 86 overall.</p>

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<p>(This is where normal people will stop, now we're getting crazy)</p>

<p>SUMMER
You have tons of options here. You can study abroad, get an internship, take classes again at a CC (eliminating some of the general electives). It's all up to you. </p>

<p>If you want to save time, money, and have fun, I would study abroad. I've yet to meet someone who didn't like doing it, and you're killing two birds with one stone by taking classes that fulfill your general education requirements as well as the international dimension. Kelley even has some programs set up for study abroad, including an internship in London that is really competitive.</p>

<p>If you want to stay on the cheap plan, minimizing your college costs, you'd need to take 21 credits this semester to be on track to graduate in the Fall. This route forces you to stay at a CC over the summer, take a foreign language to fulfill the International Dimension requirement, as well as take the rest of the classes. Some may think 21 is too much, but did you not take 18 last summer? Have you not taken 17 every semester? It's just one more class...</p>

<p>FALL
We're all about getting out of school as quickly as possible and minimizing costs, so we've chosen Management as the major (15 credits)</p>

<p>Management Major courses (15 credits)
BUS-X 420 (2 credits)</p>

<p>Comments = You're up to 124 total, fulfilling all the degree requirements provided you were careful in choosing your general electives (taking the upper-level one's at IU while doing the lower-level one's at a CC). Congrats grad!</p>

<p>Pretty neat how you can eliminate 3 semesters and save over $50,000 (for an OOS student) with careful planning, huh? Then again, you're only in college for 2.5 years when college is fun, but I digress.</p>

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<p>Great stuff from A2Wolves 6.</p>

<p>Let me add one note:</p>

<p>A couple of these classes will be really difficult to get into as freshmen, namely BUS X220 and BUS G202. Also, if you do sign up for BUS X220, be aware that you have to signup and take BUS X230 (a zero credit class) at the exact same time. I think the computer forces you to do this--but you should scope out the times and days ahead of time.</p>

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<p>Very generous of you to do this A2Wolves. :)</p>

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<p>A2Wolves6... you had good intenions but this will hurt the KSB.. as you have given all the future/current students basically all the best ways to get the easiest grades..</p>

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<p>Great stuff! Very thorough!</p>

<p>One question though: taking all of those classes at a
community college...wouldn't that in essence screw
you over for the I-core classes since your foundations
and skills are bad?</p>

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<p>guys.... the A-100's and K-201's arent that difficult... you just have to put in a 1- 2 hours a day for each class.. are you guys that lazy and not motivated? god damit..</p>

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<p>I would say no, I believe the teaching at a community college is superior to what you'll be learning at IU and you'll actually grasp the concepts better. You're in smaller classes, your professors know you by name, you have lots of practice problems, there's much more in terms of participation, professors want to help you learn the material. The material is the same wherever you learn it, the environment at IU (200+ person classes, all lectures, study on your own) is much more difficult for someone to go and learn the material than at a CC, where you'll have small classes, there's group work and actual application of the material, and exams aren't the "know everything in chapter X, X, X" type.</p>

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<p>If the professor knowsn your name, it will not incline you to study harder.. if you have more practice problems it will not incline you to study harder.. there are tons of practice problems for A-100 and K-201, every professor wants to help them learn.. thats why you go to their office hours. you cannot get good grades by just going to class, doing the minimum required homework, and study 2-3 days before a test.. being in a class with 200 + studnets or 20 + students realy doesnt make any difference the students that excel in the 200 + classes will excel in the 20 + classes as well... just because the class is narrowed down to 20 people does not mean that the student will become suddenly motivated to start studying, better there study habbits, and pay attention.. they might improve from a C to a C+.. but at the end of the day a square is a square and a circle is a circle...</p>

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<p>do mitte honors students have to take icore in a specified semester? would the honors program thus prevent someone from double majoring? i ask because i would like to do a double in finance and economic consulting</p>

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<li><p>for the mitte honors student you HAVE to take I-core in the fall semester of your junior year.. so make sure you finish all your I-core pre-req</p></li>
<li><p>No, they actually are encouraging us to double major.. I myself plan to major in Finance and Accounting..... and maybe perhaps minoring in economics.</p></li>
</ol>

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<p>A2Wolves6</p>

<p>Where does it say that A100 is needed to gain admission into the Kelley school? Do you have to take that class Freshmen year?</p>

<p>Also do you know any good accounting books to review over if you can't go to a community college?</p>

<p>Btw thanks for the advice, helps A LOT!</p>

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<p>It doesn't say anywhere it's required before admission into Kelley, however if you want to avoid A) taking both Financial and Managerial accounting in both semesters or B) taking I-Core spring semester of Junior year, you need to take A100 as a freshman, before admission into Kelley.</p>

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<p>A100 is one of the courses you need a "C" or better in to take I-Core. You can get into Kelley without taking A100, but if you don't take I-Core, you can't get a degree from Kelley.</p>

<p>Academic</a> Policies and Procedures: Student Life: Undergraduate Program: Kelley School of Business: Indiana University Bloomington</p>

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<p>If you are planning to go to IU for all four years....is there anything wrong with taking I-Core spring semester of Junior year?...
I'm just afraid taking A100 will significantly lower my GPA</p>

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<p>A100 is only a one credit hour class, and you need a C or higher to get A100 to count as an Icore prerequisite. A "C" in A100 will not have a big effect on your gpa, since is only one credit hour. </p>

<p>If you get a C- (I think it is C-; might be a lower grade) or lower on the mid-term, you will be required to withdraw from the class (take the "wx" grade when you withdraw, but not the "w" grade; the "wx" grade can be removed from your transcript when you re-take A100 and get a letter grade), and if you withdraw from A100 not finishing the eight-week course will not count at all in your gpa calculation. Just don't get a C or B on the mid term and then bomb the final with an F, as this will get you lower than a C- on your permanent gpa and you will still have to take A100 again to get into I-Core.</p>

<p>You need A100 to take A201 Financial Accounting and A202 Managerial Accounting, both of which are needed to take Icore. And it would be difficult to take A201 and A202 during the same semester, as both classes usually have some of their exams at the same time (6 p.m. on Sundays), although there may be some sections of A201 and A202 that don't have conflicting exam times. In any case A201 and A202 in the same semester would be a horrible 16 weeks.</p>

<p>Take A100 your freshman year (everybody else does) and get it out of the way. If you are able to get a C, you will have it out of the way, and a C in a one-hour course will have little impact on your gpa if you take about thirty hours your freshman year, as most people do.</p>

<p>You can also take A100 at IUPUI if you bomb the class at Bloomington (fifty mile drive each way). It might be worth the inconvience, as sections meet in the summer sessions only once a week for six weeks; in spring and fall once a week for twelve weeks. Online assignments and quizzes/group work are a significant part of A100 at IUPUI; that makes the mid-term and final less important and less intimidating.</p>

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<p>ifailedcalculus... keep up with your readings, do all the homework, go to his office hours, try to help your friends, and do alot of the practice exams and you will be fine.. you have to put in an average of 8- 10 hours a week on A-100 if you want to get an A- or higher.. 5- 8 if you want to get anywhere from a C to a B.. you will do fine</p>