<p>I don't know if this is known, or discussed much, so sorry in advance. I know someone who pays a ridiculous amount of money for an SAT class. He took the math subject test Saturday and finished in 20 minutes because he had seen all the questions and knew the answers. So his class has a leaked test? Someone from CB? What's going on and what do I do about this? This is really unfair, essentially buying a score. Thanks for the help guys.</p>
<p>How do you know that he had seen the questions ahead of time? Did he tell you that? It sounds insane, to be honest. CB has established a huge reputation. However, if it is true, then this is a very sad world we live in. By the way, I just posted a thread about cheating, you might find it interesting.</p>
<p>@collegedreams11 yeah he’s been actually bragging about it to people and word is spreading but nobody will do anything. And yeah i saw your thread, it’s unfair man.</p>
<p>I think you should write the college board</p>
<p>That sure does sound very shady. You definitely should write College Board; in fact, College Board recommends you report instances of cheating or dishonesty. You are right; that sounds totally unfair. Do what you have to do.</p>
<p>Here’s what sounds like a much more plausible situation to me. The College Board reuses questions. He probably has taken lots of old tests in his SAT class and saw a few repeat questions. My guess is that he saw a few he remembered and decided to brag about it and “a few” turned into “the whole test.” The likelihood of a “leaked test” in the US is almost zero. And unfortunately, no matter how unfair you may think it to be, there is an entire industry built around the idea of “buying” scores.</p>
<p>@430ktk, that still doesn’t explain why he bragged about finishing 20 minutes after the test started.</p>
<p>Because he’s being ridiculous. Were you in his room? Did you see him finish in 20 minutes? Most importantly, do you honestly think someone who would brag about supposedly cheating on an SAT II would be truthful about anything, including knowing the answers and how fast he finished? Maybe more importantly, anyone who can bubble in a circle can fill in the test in 20 minutes. And I have a feeling that a cocky teenager who thinks he knows all the answers could, too. That in no way means they got an 800 or were accurate. Again, the conclusion that a test was somehow leaked is highly, highly improbable. The chances of a leaked test in the US are minute. The repercussions involved with that would be severe, so CB isn’t going to let that happen. It just sounds like some arrogant kid got full of himself after recognizing a few questions and decided to brag about it. You can brag about anything, that doesn’t mean you’re telling the truth.</p>
<p>@430ktk, The likelihood of a leaked SAT is indeed really small, yet it still has happened in the past and I don’t think that we should be so quick to dismiss this possibility.</p>
<p>Check this out <a href=“Korea Indicts Sellers of SAT Leaks - WSJ”>Korea Indicts Sellers of SAT Leaks - WSJ;
<p>@collegedreams11
I specifically said in all of my posts the likelihood of a leaked test in the United States is small. I am fully aware of the fact that it has happened in other countries, but never in the US. That time you mention in Korea is not the only time a test has been leaked or canceled because of feared leaks. However, this would likely almost never happen in the United States.</p>
<p>@430ktk, just because it isn’t widely reported, it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t happen.</p>
<p><a href=“http://susanohanian.org/atrocity_fetch.php?id=2182”>http://susanohanian.org/atrocity_fetch.php?id=2182</a></p>
<p>No way. College Board is extremely careful to avoid leaking the tests ahead of time and any company caught with tests they shouldn’t have open themselves up to lawsuits. If this did happen, it’s very rare.</p>
<p>If that is true, it’s a serious problem. The whole school’s scores might get completely cancelled. I hope he was just bluffing… </p>
<p>@collegedreams11, I must not be explaining what I’m saying well enough. I’m not going to go back and forth with you about whether or not leaking an SAT is possible. What I’m saying is that there is a much, much more plausible explanation for what the OP saw/heard. There’s a saying in the medical field: “When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras.” It’s totally unreasonable to jump straight to the conclusion that there was a leaked test and completely ignore the fact that there is an explanation that is much more likely. Assuming a test was leaked is hearing hoofbeats and thinking zebras, or maybe even unicorns. </p>
<p>@430ktk, read post #8 and see that I never jumped straight to the conclusion that there was a leaked test. All I said is that we shouldn’t be so quick to dismiss the possibility. I even mentioned that the likelihood of a leaked test is really small, yet it still happened in the past. Also, I attached a link to back up my argument to which you replied:</p>
<p>"I am fully aware of the fact that it has happened in other countries, but never in the US. " </p>
<p>Your certainty that this NEVER happened in the US made me feel obliged to post another link about a leak report in the US. </p>
<p>Look, it was never my intention to turn this into an argument about whether or not leaking an SAT is possible, but given your obliviousness, I felt it necessary to provide more evidence.</p>
<p>If you are contradicting yourself just for the sake of this argument, please don’t.</p>
<p>All I’m trying to say is that people don’t consider other possibilities and continue to trust the College Board just because it has an already established reputation. It really bothers me that such things don’t receive enough coverage and it really bothers me that people are ready to blindly conform to the College Board. </p>
<p>If you look at my posting history, you’ll see that I have quite a few posts that talk about cheating and point specific flaws in the testing system. It is something that I really care about and I think that only if there was more attention from the public towards this subject, CB would reconsider how safe its practices really are.</p>
<p>@collegedreams11 I was actually saying that the OP shouldn’t jump to the conclusion about a leaked test, not you. The OP directly jumped to that conclusion in his/her post, and I’m saying that that’s not the most plausible reason. By the way, I am in no way “oblivious” to the testing practices/occurrences of the SAT and ACT, but thank you for making such a derogatory comment about me. You don’t need to educate me on anything. When I said never, I misspoke, meaning to say something along the lines of much much more rarely and much much much less likely. Never is just easier to type. And I honestly have no idea where you see me contradicting myself. The only contradiction I see is that I might have made was saying never when I should have said something more like extremely less likely, which isn’t even really a contradiction. I’m trying to give the OP other possibilities as to what happened, how competent or “oblivious” you think I am is totally unnecessary to be discussed on this thread, and is almost just rude.</p>
<p>Edit: And keep in mind, a leak 11 years ago does not mean it’s just as easy or likely for a leak to happen today. Testing security has changed substantially since then. That’s why I said “never.” Because in today’s testing environment, this is even less likely to happen. </p>
<p>OP, I’m not engaging in any more conversation on this thread since I have no idea how my intelligence will be questioned next, but here’s what I think is the most important thing to remember when it comes to test scores and college admissions (if you at all care): Please remember that no matter how unfair the standardized testing system is, and I will totally admit that it has its flaws and the system fails at being as fair as it tries to claim it is, your test scores are only one piece of an application. Any kid who has been bragging about supposedly cheating on the SAT doesn’t sound like the kind of person a college would want on their campus, and this will be reflected in his essays and on other parts of his application. </p>
<p>@430ktk, since when is calling someone oblivious derogatory ? I am not going to start posting definitions because you’re probably old enough to google and see what this word really means. No one is questioning your intelligence here.</p>
<p>Thanks for clarifying the whole “never” thing. You see, my extrasensory abilities aren’t that strong and I wasn’t able to see the deeper meaning of your post. </p>
<p>I’m also choosing not to engage in this thread anymore because unfortunately it has turned into a completely useless argument and I don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings. Really, I don’t want any bad karma into my life.</p>