^ There are about 300 students at Penn State Main Campus per class, plus about 500 more spread over the branch campuses (equivalent to Bothell, for instance - there are 20 “branches” in the state). At UP, there are about 250-300 different Honors options including gen eds, freshman seminars (not FYE), and major-specific classes each semester, not counting ad hoc options, so students who wished to could take ALL their first two years save for about 2-3 in Honors. Obviously, no one does as it’d be too intense
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UW has a two-honors system (with general honors separate from honors in the major). There are universities where it’s either/or, or both. It depends on the student’s wishes as to what they like best.
However, at UW, the “intimacy of the small, interdisciplinary liberal arts college” part was explicitely downplayed by officials looking for OOS applicants.
In my opinion, both Penn State and UW are too expensive OOS unless OP has close to 40K per year to spend on college. It’s too much for a state flagship OOS, unless parents have a LARGE college budget. It may be worth it to a direct admit to UWA CS, but that’s about it. Hopefully OP lives in a state with a good flagship and a good Honors program, or has stats that allow him/her to apply to flagships with generous financial or merit aid.
For a full-pay applicant, the small scholarships may help (and UWA is better in that respect than PSU, although it’s also a bit more expensive to start with), but for a student who needs financial aid, both are totally unaffordable. UWA however has a huge advantage in that, at least, it is affordable for instate students, whereas Penn State isn’t.
Hopefully OP lives in one of these two states and has a good college budget.