<p>College admissions looks at school profiles and expect a student to have taken the most rigor possible/offerred.</p>
<p>For our scholar-athlete–
HYP said comfortably 700s per section think 720-760ish/ equival ACT minimum…
plus OVER 4.0 weighted GPA etc etc…
plus athletic stats ,
ECs, LORs etc…</p>
<p>Don’t worry whether the AdComs can tell the difference–they can…
.and
the prereads of scholar-athletes during summer give the coaches the potential recruits for OVs in fall.</p>
<p>Fogfog,
So you are saying that, for example, 18 Princeton Olympic athletes all had 720+ on each SAT section and also had some other ECs in addition to 4.0+ WGPA?
If HYP had to follow your guidelines they may not be able to field a competitive team in many sports. Bad enough that in some sports there are athletic full rides and even professional opportunities.</p>
<p>The stronger the athlete the more leeway is given for gpa and test scores. HYP will lift the lower stat athlete with a higher stat athlete. This is done ALL the time.</p>
<p>CCDD14</p>
<p>Well I can show you the recruiting packet that Princeton sent to all of the potential recruits for the hs class of 2011…
they put it in black and white</p>
<p>This was for a non helmet sport. I realize that helmet athletes get more leeway…</p>
<p>You do understand the ivies don’t give merit nor athletic $, right. If you want $ for sports, the ivies aren’t for you.</p>
<p>Fogfog- what exactly did the recruitment package say?</p>
<p>Look at it this way - we all know HYP accepts very few applicants. We all know admittance isn’t purely numbers driven at these schools. Unique, high achievers from all different realms get in the door.</p>
<p>Even if the tales of the occasional 1500 SAT kid being admitted are true, 1500 is higher than the majority of college students nationwide. Combine that with being one of the best athletes in the country and you’ve got a very rare individual.</p>
<p>For the kids who aren’t on the short list of nationally ranked athletes, you better shoot for those 700’s</p>
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<p>For HYP in the sport I follow you need both a high national ranking and 700s across the board (or an equivalent ACT).</p>
<p>^Same with K1s sport.
HYP competes for the same few scholar-athletes…
These kids have 2100-2350 plus GPA plus top nationally ranked athlete + </p>
<p>Why----Because HYP can…
and these scholar-athletes deliver…including int’l top.</p>
<p>I agree fogfog, with one minor modification. HPS compete for the same few scholar athletes; Y could compete for them but sometimes does, sometimes doesn’t.</p>
<p>As the P coach told me, every year there about five kids that have the whole package, and those three (sometimes four) schools have to compete for them.</p>
<p>The H coach put out the vibe that “other schools recruit, we choose,” but he’s wrong, and he knows it. Those very few top scholar athletes are the ones doing the choosing.</p>
<p>I would agree with the above post that a SAT score of 1500 for a HYP athlete is a rare event.</p>
<p>I also know of 2 HYP sports that currently recruit athletes with SATs under 2100.</p>
<p>" CCDD14</p>
<p>Well I can show you the recruiting packet that Princeton sent to all of the potential recruits for the hs class of 2011…
they put it in black and white
This was for a non helmet sport. I realize that helmet athletes get more leeway…
You do understand the ivies don’t give merit nor athletic $, right. If you want $ for sports, the ivies aren’t for you. "</p>
<p>Fogfog,
Cannot imagine that H or P would reject an athlete with SAT of 2000 that has an offer of athletic full-ride from Stanford.
I question your numbers because both P&Y told my daughter that SAT 2050 and UGPA 3.8 in most challenging curriculum were on track. It may be different in some other sports.</p>
<p>My daughter was told 700’s on SAT or equivalent ACT, weighted GPA over 4.0 and target athletic performance for HYP. I am sure that helmet sports have more leeway, but a 1500 SAT woul be a rare occurrence. CCDD14, if your daughter was told she was on track, then good for her! An UGPA of 3.8 in the most challenging course load is probably the equivalent of a 4.0 WGPA and I doubt 50 points on the SAT is a deal breaker provided everything else lines up and the athlete is what they are looking for. But in general, it is pretty commonly accepted that for non-helmet sports, HYP are looking for 700’s plus 4.0 WGPA.</p>
<p>Fishymom’s description (>2100) for HYP was exactly what happened with our son 4 years ago. He was sitting at 2000 as a baseball recruit. The Harvard coach strongly encouraged him to retake SAT to get over 2100 which he did. “A funny thing happened on the way to the forum” as he found another Ivy with a little deeper and wider engineering program to his liking during that SAT time lag.</p>
<p>CCDD14
Your student was already admitted with lower stats academic stats…??Congrats. You must be proud.</p>
<p>Oh, missed the part about CCDD14’s being admitted with those stats! Congratulations, I hope it is everything she hoped for!</p>
<p>CCDD14</p>
<p>Maybe I am missing something …</p>
<p>Why on earth would your dd do anything but accept a full ride at Stanford?
If your student has signed a NLI and has that…then looking at HYP is pointless…is she a SR now?</p>
<p>Unless you are very low economically–and you get full NEED aid, HYP will not give her a “full ride” athletically.</p>
<p>Without it in writing, you have nothing. There was a student here who played the recruiting fast and lose…did 5 OVs, 3 UVs, and ended up with nothing when denied by Stanford dafter the coach had said she was a top recruit.</p>
<p>The hs coach had to scramble, and she is not at HYP nor Stanford.</p>
<p>Be careful.</p>
<p>Reading all these examples, it seems that there are no hard and fast rules, and it depends on what the competition is in a given year.<br>
I personally know an athlete recruited to HYP with 3.9 WGPA and 1740 SAT. Now attending, and doing fine. He was a top top recruit nationally and really had his pick. However, his athletics were truly stellar. I am not counting on that example for my son. The athetic competition for class of 2018 may be more or less, as may the academic competition. I would rather my son push for 2100 and not need it than depend on slipping in under the wire.</p>
<p>^ Good point Rowmom</p>
<p>1740 is NOT stellar…</p>
<p>Thoughts about rigor of courseload…
Our school is a very competitive, suburban, public with very high expectations. It is a very educated, accomplished area. I would say there is a lot of pressure on the kids, but the majority are motivated and focused too. Admin encourages kids to challenge themselves, but to ‘keep a balance’. Enjoy high school and ECs, etc. Yet, I read all over this board that if your school offers 15 APs you better be taking the most you can fit in your schedule. Everyone seems to say the right things regarding balance and not pushing too hard, but really most have the pedal to the metal continuously, or regret it later.
Is it necessary? Can you take and do well in 3 APs per year instead of 6, or does that mean you are a slacker, or not as studious? 3 is obviously not “most challenging” courseload, but is it just above average? Really?</p>