<p><a href="http://www.theu.com%5B/url%5D">www.theu.com</a>
Check out Berkeley's academic reputation. Lower than UCLA?
What do you guys think?</p>
<p>looks like another BS "ranking" to me....</p>
<p>Yeah, total BS. Berkeley ranks higher than UCLA in every reputable list that has ever been done. Who's to say prospective students have greater weight in what institutions have academic quality than recruiters, professors, or newspapers?</p>
<p>Oh, wow...</p>
<p>Look at how the website works. You rate your school on a scale of "shady" to "solid" academics, and it displays the school's mean rating. Come on! No one knows where to rate a school on that scale, because it's completely subjective and open to intepretation.</p>
<p>Heh, a comparison I found of the two:</p>
<p>
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Peer Assessment score (out of 5):
UC Berkeley: 4.7
UCLA: 4.3</p>
<p>Endowment:
UC Berkeley: USD$2.2 billion
UCLA: USD$1.7 billion</p>
<p>Founding year:
UC Berkeley: 1868
UCLA: 1919 (technically 1882, but as a normal school)</p>
<p>Land:
UC Berkeley: 1,232 acres
UCLA: 419 acres</p>
<h1>total students:</h1>
<p>UC Berkeley: ~30,000
UCLA: ~36,000</p>
<p>% Freshmen in top 10% of class:
UC Berkeley: 99%
UCLA: 97%</p>
<p>SAT score ranges of entering freshmen (middle 50%):
UC Berkeley: 1800 - 2180
UCLA: 1760 - 2120</p>
<p>% Freshmen with 3.75 GPA or higher:
UC Berkeley: 93%
UCLA: 89%</p>
<p>% of cross-admits who choose one school over the other:
UC Berkeley: 65%
UCLA: 35%</p>
<h1>Degrees Offered:</h1>
<p>UC Berkeley: ~300
UCLA: 129</p>
<h1>Nobel Laureates affiliated:</h1>
<p>UC Berkeley: 62
UCLA: 10</p>
<h1>Pulitzer Prize winners:</h1>
<p>UC Berkeley: 3
UCLA: 1</p>
<h1>Turing Award winners:</h1>
<p>UC Berkeley: 7
UCLA: 1</p>
<h1>American Academy of Arts and Sciences Fellows:</h1>
<p>UC Berkeley: 221
UCLA: 83</p>
<h1>Fields Medal winners:</h1>
<p>UC Berkeley: 2
UCLA: 1</p>
<h1>Fulbright Scholars:</h1>
<p>UC Berkeley: 83
UCLA: 11</p>
<h1>Guggenheim Fellows:</h1>
<p>UC Berkeley: 139
UCLA: 52</p>
<h1>Members of National Academy of Engineering:</h1>
<p>UC Berkeley: 87
UCLA: 17</p>
<h1>Members of National Academy of Sciences:</h1>
<p>UC Berkeley: 132
UCLA: 30</p>
<p>Google Fight results:
UC Berkeley: 40,100,000
UCLA: 17,100,000
<a href="http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=UCLA&word2=berkeley%5B/url%5D">http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=UCLA&word2=berkeley</a></p>
<p>RANKINGS
Newsweek Top 100 Global Universities:
5. University of California at Berkeley
…
12. University of California at Los Angeles
<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14321230/site/newsweek/%5B/url%5D">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14321230/site/newsweek/</a></p>
<p>Top 500 Universities:
4 Univ California – Berkeley
…
14 Univ California - Los Angeles
<a href="http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2005/ARWU2006_Top100.htm%5B/url%5D">http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2005/ARWU2006_Top100.htm</a></p>
<p>The Washington Monthly College Rankings:
2. University of California, Berkeley* (CA)
…
4. University of California, Los Angeles* (CA)
<a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2006/0609.national.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2006/0609.national.html</a>
“UC schools continue to rule.
Sorry, red-staters. By our yardstick, University of California, Berkeley is about the best thing for America we can find. It's good by all of our measurements. The same goes for the rest of the schools in the UC system, four of which make our top 10, the rest of which make our top 80.”</p>
<p>The Top 20 World Universities 2006 by G-Factor:
3 - Univ California – Berkeley
…
18 - Univ California - Los Angeles
<a href="http://www.universitymetrics.com/tiki-index.php?page=Top+20+Universities+2006&PHPSESSID=a841f8926c4455623742ef5a7d2b1466%5B/url%5D">http://www.universitymetrics.com/tiki-index.php?page=Top+20+Universities+2006&PHPSESSID=a841f8926c4455623742ef5a7d2b1466</a></p>
<p>U.S. News & World Report college rankings:
21. University of California—Berkeley *
…
26. Univ. of California—Los Angeles * </p>
<p>Top Public Universities (U.S. News):
1. University of California—Berkeley *
2. University of Virginia *
2. University of Michigan—Ann Arbor *
4. Univ. of California—Los Angeles *
5. U. of North Carolina—Chapel Hill *
[Berkeley is consistently ranked the #1 public school in the nation by U.S News, and always ranked ahead of UCLA.]</p>
<p>Times Higher Education ranking of world universities, 2004
2. UC Berkeley
…
26. UCLA
<a href="http://www.paked.net/higher_education/rankings/times_rankings_2004.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.paked.net/higher_education/rankings/times_rankings_2004.htm</a></p>
<p>Times Higher Education ranking of world universities, 2005:
6. UC Berkeley
…
37. UCLA
<a href="http://www.paked.net/higher_education/rankings/times_rankings.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.paked.net/higher_education/rankings/times_rankings.htm</a></p>
<p>Times Higher Education ranking of world universities, 2006:
8. UC Berkeley
…
31. UCLA
<a href="http://www.paked.net/higher_education/rankings/times_rankings.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.paked.net/higher_education/rankings/times_rankings.htm</a></p>
<p>Rankings for USA Colleges:
4. UC Berkeley
…
10. UCLA</p>
<p>100 Largest Libraries in the US:
7. UC Berkeley
…
13. UCLA
[Berkeley’s 32 libraries together tie for fourth largest academic library in the United States with University of Illinois, surpassed only by the Library of Congress, Harvard, and Yale.]</p>
<p>Webometrics Rankings of World Universities:
4. UC Berkeley
…
18. UCLA
<a href="http://www.webometrics.info/top3000.asp%5B/url%5D">http://www.webometrics.info/top3000.asp</a></p>
<p>NRC Rankings by Five Main Areas:
Arts & Humanities
1. UC Berkeley
…
11. UCLA
Biological Sciences
5. UC Berkeley
…
16. UCLA
Engineering
2. UC Berkeley
…
19. UCLA
Physical Sciences & Math
1. UC Berkeley
…
13. UCLA
Social & Behavioral Sciences
1. UC Berkeley
…
7. UCLA
Universities with Highest Number of Programs in the Top 10:
1. UC Berkeley (35)
…
UCLA (12)
Universities with Highest Number of “Distinguished” Programs
1. UC Berkeley (32)
…
10. UCLA (14)
<a href="http://www.stat.tamu.edu/%7Ejnewton/nrc_rankings/nrc1.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.stat.tamu.edu/~jnewton/nrc_rankings/nrc1.html</a></p>
<p>Top Business Schools (US News):
7. UC Berkeley (Haas)
…
10. UCLA (Anderson)
<a href="http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/mba/brief/mbarank_brief.php%5B/url%5D">http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/mba/brief/mbarank_brief.php</a></p>
<p>Top Law Schools (US News):
8. UC Berkeley
…
15. UCLA
<a href="http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/law/brief/lawrank_brief.php%5B/url%5D">http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/law/brief/lawrank_brief.php</a></p>
<p>Top Medical Schools – Research (US News):
4. UC San Francisco
…
11. UCLA
[UCSF is widely regarded as part of Berkeley. Berkeley doesn’t appear in medical school rankings because UCSF, right near Berkeley, fills that role: both schools share faculty, students, funds, programs, and facilities. (UCSF was founded right after Berkeley in 1873, long before UCLA.)]
<a href="http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/med/brief/mdrrank_brief.php%5B/url%5D">http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/med/brief/mdrrank_brief.php</a></p>
<p>Top Engineering Schools (US News)
3. UC Berkeley
…
15. UCLA (Samueli)
<a href="http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/eng/brief/engrank_brief.php%5B/url%5D">http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/eng/brief/engrank_brief.php</a></p>
<p>Compare faculty and alumni:
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_University_of_California%2C_Berkeley_alumni%5B/url%5D">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_University_of_California%2C_Berkeley_alumni</a>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_University_of_California%2C_Los_Angeles_people%5B/url%5D">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_University_of_California%2C_Los_Angeles_people</a>
Berkeley produced professors at top universities like: University of Chicago (5), MIT (6), Harvard (4), Caltech (3), University of Pennyslvania, Stanford, Cornell (2), Duke, Princeton (3), Columbia, Yale, Georgetown, among many others.</p>
<p>UCLA produced professors at top universities like: Berkeley (4), University of Michigan, Caltech, Yale, Johns Hopkins (2), Harvard, and Rice, among others.</p>
<p>Funny how many UCLA alumni are professors at Berkeley.
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<p>... And UCLA is more reputable?</p>
<p>For undergrad, it really doesn't make a difference whether you go to UCLA or Berkeley. Really, c'mon. Go to the school where you'll be more comfortable living in for a few years.</p>
<p>Uhh, kyledavid80, aren't you going to Stanford?</p>
<p>No, I think these rankings are dead on. Obviously the University of Rochester has a better academic reputation than CalTech and Penn. And please, we all know that Wooster beats Northwestern by a mile. And Art Center (what ever that is) has more academic clout than Berkeley. Art Center is like the Harvard of...ah...art centers.</p>
<p>"Uhh, kyledavid80, aren't you going to Stanford?"</p>
<p>lol whyever would you think that? =p</p>
<p>Oh, I visit the Stanford forum every now and then, even if I don't post as much there.</p>
<p>But hey, if you want to be Berkeley's cheerleader, be my guest. :)</p>
<p>lol that site lists UCLA as more liberal lol</p>
<p>Hahahaha, vicissitudes, I've always been very pro-Berkeley, it being my #1. Stanford's a close second, though Cal is obviously better. : D</p>
<p>Ah, the usual debates never grow tired here.</p>
<p>Seriously guys, the ranking at <a href="http://www.theu.com%5B/url%5D">www.theu.com</a> is not that big of a deal.</p>
<p>But, I do have to say that
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Founding year:
UC Berkeley: 1868
UCLA: 1919 (technically 1882, but as a normal school)</p>
<p>Land:
UC Berkeley: 1,232 acres
UCLA: 419 acres</p>
<h1>total students:</h1>
<p>UC Berkeley: ~30,000
UCLA: ~36,000
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</p>
<p>all of these numbers are odd metrics to use for measuring a school's quality.</p>
<p>
[quote]
lol that site lists UCLA as more liberal lol
[/quote]
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<p>It is in some ways true. Why the lawling?</p>
<p>I agree, the metrics were a little strange... =p</p>
<p>And I always thought UCLA was pretty liberal... >.></p>
<p>Well, at least in Florida, Berkeley definitely is more prestigious. Most people in Florida don't really know how good UCLA realy is, I only found out through my research of schools on the west coast. UCLA is somewhat like UF in the fact that in Florida UF is seen as being very prestigous, but outside of the state not so much. It was funny the other day I was telling one of my friend's dad that I got into UF but that I wanted to go to Berkeley and I didn't know if I would get in.....he told me I got into UF so I most obviously would get into Berkeley. Granted he is pretty ignorant, even when I say I am going to Berkeley, people know its a really good school and you have to be smart to get in but I feel that it too doesn't get the credit it deserves on the East Coast. It seems its liberal reputation sometimes overshadows its academic excellence. I have no problem with its liberal rep but I wish it would get more credit for its academics.</p>
<p>Berkeley has both in most areas -- it has a very strong academic reputation in many states, but usually where there are competitors, i.e. Massachusetts (Harvard, MIT), New York (Columbia, Cornell), etc. Not to say UF isn't a great school, but if Florida were to have a top-20 school, I have a feeling that Berkeley's academic rep would be a bit higher.</p>
<p>I concur that Berkeley's rep may be higher in states with more competitive schools, but I still wish it would get more credit than it does. Seriously I've heard people state that UF is the Harvard of the South- could you imagine what they would think of Berkeley if they knew how much more competitive and academically prestigious Berkeley is compared to Florida. Hopefully when I go to Berkeley I can work in getting Berk more exposure on the East Coast- specifically the South. Don't know how I will do it but I'm going to try</p>
<p>"Hopefully when I go to Berkeley I can work in getting Berk more exposure on the East Coast- specifically the South. Don't know how I will do it but I'm going to try"</p>
<p>If I end up choosing Berkeley, I will gladly help you. I believe that Berkeley is underrated. The fact that Berkeley is a public school makes it easier for it to be outshined by the Ivies/other prestigious privates.</p>
<p>Yeah, people here (in FL) consider UF to be the gold-standard.... <em>chuckles</em></p>
<p>Nonetheless, people seem impressed (especially professionals) with my decision to attend Cal, so obviously people recognize it as a quality institution.</p>
<p>zacsrequiem- its great to see I'm not the only Floridian at Cal, although I like the fact I will be unique being from Florida. Its somewhat ridiculous how people talk of UF down here, its a good school its just not Cal. If you don't mind me asking are you paying full OOS tution for undergrad or am I the only one crazy enough to consider it.</p>