I was Academically Dismissed (AD) from a CSU because I was a defiant student (Didn't go to class, etc.) and failed everything. So no appeals or anything as such are possible because it was completely my fault.
From High School and concurrent enrollment with CCs over summers, I gained a total of roughly 50 credits/units. At the CSU, I did only 2 GE classes and the rest were Major classes. And now my question:
Can I take the remaining IGETC classes at a CC and completely eradicate the idea that I attended the CSU to then apply for TAG? TAG requires Good Academic Standing from All Universities/Colleges attended, but if I don't tell them that I attended the CSU (with academic dishonesty in mind), then I should be clear.
I don't need to transfer any courses from the CSU since I can take it at the CC. Could I just state that I took a year break? Or would admissions find out somehow that I attended the CSU?
Or perhaps it would be better for me not to lie, apply regularly, tell them the truth. (?) My current CC GPA is: 3.7
You can’t avoid it by “not telling them”. There is a service called the National Student Clearing House that keeps records of EVERYTHING. If they find out you lied, they ban you from all UC campuses for LIFE. They take it very seriously.
Also, why did you have issues at a CSU? Do you have a plan to be better at a CC and then a UC?
You also need to be wary of unit ceilings since you have CSU units.
Alright. Thanks for clearing that up. So without counting AP credit and factoring in the CSU units, I’ll have 61 (58 if I count the retake) units.
I’m confused with 70 and the high-unit (80-89) distinctions. Does that mean as long as I have less than 80 units, I can apply?
I had issues because I was negligent with my studies and myself. I was lazy and I didn’t want to do anything. I’m also a hyprocrite with all of that. And yes, after AD and reading Quora posts, I have become motivated to change myself for the better at a CC and possibly a UC. Do I have any hope? Or am I doomed for life.
Only 70 units transfer toward your degree into a UC. But if you hit the high-junior/senior limit then you will have close to no chance of being accepted.
UCs will only give you credit for 1 attempt and you are free to makeup any Fs or Ds. So you SHOULD repeat all the courses you failed at CSU to improve your GPA. Especially because your transfer GPA will be calculated based on your CSU & CC gpa.
As long as you do not hit the unit ceiling then you have a good shot of getting into some of the lower tier-UCs (ucsb, ucd, ucsc, etc).
If you build a great EC list then you might have a shot for UCLA and Berkeley too.
Use the additional comments section on the UC app to explain your bad grades at CSU and how you have changed.
And you are not doomed. I’m glad to hear you have changed your mindset! CCs are a great place for learning and second chances! If possible, try to get back in good standing with your CSU, since I think they ask about standing from previous schools on the UC app.
Okay, so CSUs can repeat 28 units and have 16 units of Course Forgiveness. Are you saying I take the equivalent courses at CCs and then transfer them to the CSU? So should I forget about the IGETC requirements for now and enroll in the equivalent courses? Does that work if I’m already academically dismissed or do I have to wait the year before doing anything? I’m a bit confused.
The way CSU cover forgiveness will be different from how the UCs calculate your trasfnerable GPA. UCs will count every single UC transferable course in your GPA. In other words bad grades in nontransferable courses do not matter. Also they allow you to makeup ANY D or F. On the UC application they will cross out the old CSU fail and only keep the new pass grade. (although i would mention on the additional comments section which courses are repeats) If you want the CSU transcript to reflect course forgiveness then that is an entirely different matter.
You can enroll in CC straight up without any even sending in other transcripts. Although you would need the transcripts if you are using those credits to complete IGETC.
For transfer #1 priority is to complete major pre-reqs. #2 is to complete IGETC. You have to stay under the unit cap tho so be very careful about what courses you choose to enroll into.
Thank you for the response. So, I should most definitely repeat equivalent courses that are UC transferable and Pre-Major reqs. Let’s say I want to transfer in as a Mathematics major. [I</a> would look here](http://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/transfer/preparation-paths/math-majors/index.html) and see that I have already completed all of those courses, one of which is at the CSU. Does that mean I’m done with that priority if they were all passed (As and Bs)?
I’m also a bit worried when you say “bad grades in nontransferable courses do not matter” because they still see all the grades that I failed even though they’re non-UC transferable, correct?
So I’m deciding if I should repeat the course equivalency that are UC transferable or the IGETC requires, or should I do both at the same time?
Also, the high-unit cap is 80 UC-Transferable Units/Credits, so if I took nontransferable courses at the CSU, the credit I earned will not be added towards that 80, right? Because right now with all the failed classes, I have 76 total units. I’m a bit worried. I still have to calculate how many credit/units of those are transferable or not though.
Cross reference your CSU with different CC to see which courses are equivalent. Then check the CC->UC agreement. That will give you a good idea which ones are transferable.
Anything above a C- is pass.
CC won’t have upper division courses so that might be an issue if you are trying to repeat major classes.
If you can’t stay under the 80 unit cap then you’ll be limited to the UCs that accept Senior level transfer. You may also want to look at less competitive private universities such as Chapman or LMU. Or complete CSU Breadth and apply for readmission to your CSU.
Ugh. Okay so is the 80 unit cap for EVERYTHING I took or just the UC Transferable ones?
From my CSU, 37 units are UC transferable (of which 17 units I failed and can repeat). I have 31.5 from CCC and 3 from USC meaning 71.5 for everything but some of the CCC were just electives like piano and sports so I have to factor those in?
So that leaves me with 8 units. To complete IGETC, I need at least 9 units. How unfortunate. Maybe I can choose not to repeat one of the 17 units so I can take one more class for IGETC.
With the caveat that you should verify this with the xfer counselor at your CC or the UC rep when they visit your CC: sum the units for the lower-division xferable courses you earned (at any college) and cap the number at 70. Then, following the guide at the top of page 2 of the link given in post #2, add on any upper-division classes taken anywhere and all UC units not counted in the 70. This is your UC xfer total, which you then use in the tables.
If you only have 50 units so far, my guess is that all of these are lower division. So there is no cap on how many units you can take at your CC.
Whether you are eligible for TAG you should check with a xfer counselor at your CC or the UC rep when they visit your CC because of the “good-standing” clause. Hopefully the repeats will clear things up, but I’d want to verify that with a counselor.
Thank you for the reply.I recalculated everything and I’m a bit confused with what I have though. Let me break it down:
From my CSU, I have taken 40 units that are xferable. Out of those 40, 9 of them did not count because I received Fs in those three classes. However, I have received a D in another and a C- in two other classes, but those give me 6 units. So if I repeat those Fs, I will get those 9 units back. I already repeated the C- class and got an A-. Course forgiveness and repeats do not add on additional units, right? It also says I am allowed 16 units of forgiveness and 28 units of repeat, but I have to repeat the course AT my CSU which I am AD’d from. So does that mean I can’t take an equivalent course at CC and let it count as a repeat for my CSU?
From my CC, I have taken 34.5 units that are xferable. So does that 74.5 total cap at 70 since they were all lower-division classes? So does that mean I have 9 units possible to take before I hit high-unit cap?
If you repeat a course at a CC then the UCs will consider that grade instead of your CSU grade when they calculate your transferable GPA. (although I would mention in the addition comments XXX course is a repeat of YYY at CSU). This is REGARDLESS of whether your CSU acknowledges the repeat on your transcript.
As for course forgiveness, does that mean academic renewal? If so the UCs will not count those courses toward your units or GPA BUT ONLY AFTER THE CSU ACKNOWLEDGES it.
Only 1 course original or repeat will be counted towards your unit total.
34.5 @ CC + 40 @ CSU = 74.5 transferable courses. Only 70 units worth will go toward your degree AFTER you transfer. But ALL 74.5 will be considered as part of your transferable GPA and units to senior level standing. (call a counselor and double check that the failed courses will count toward the units tho)
I would repeat the D and the C- because they’ll raise your UC GPA and it’ll give you classes to take at CC.
Course forgiveness replaces the previous grade with the future one. Course repeat just adds both of them together. The units are added but it will only count once towards graduation. Basically out of the 28 units I can repeat, only 16 can be replaced with the previous grades, otherwise it just adds on to it.
For me to file for Academic Renewal, I have to wait five (5) years before I can start that which isn’t happening any time soon.
I already repeated the C- one during the Fall 2014 semester, and that was the only class I got an A- in. So I believe that is okay for now.
Would it not be better for me to repeat the classes I received Fs in? Also, if I repeat the classes at CC, that won’t add to my 74.5 units right? And I cannot complete IGETC if I have 74.5 total units like I have now, correct?
The UCs won’t distinguish between your CSU course forgiveness or repeat. They will treat both the same (as forgiveness).
Making up the Ds and Fs should be your primary focus if they are available at CC. The mid-tier UCs do not read personal statements as part of the application process and I am pretty sure they don’t read EC either (and if they do then they really don’t care that much). So it’s essentially all GPA + Major Pre-Reqs in terms of admission. IGETC helps a bit tho.The Fs will drop your GPA substantially and so it is vital you make up those courses.
Only Merced and Davis cap at 80 semester units.
UCLA is 86.5 and the rest are 90 units.
So you can still fulfill IGETC if you sacrifice Merced and Davis (and maybe UCLA).
Also if you complete IGETC then you can try reapplying for admission at your CSU and use IGETC to fulfill the general education requirements.
Sorry if this got said already as I didn’t read every post.
First off, why are you not trying for Academic Renewal for the courses at CSU? You said you failed them, which means D or F. I do not know the rules for CSU but the fact that you have subsequently garnered a great number of units, and you have a 3.7 GPA can usually reverse an academic dismissal (not all the time - depends on college). Anyway, you should check AR for sure.
Next, you have a GPA of 3.7, so you are not doomed to only apply to the lower tier as bomerr said. In fact this statement of bomerr’s: “…you have a good shot of getting into some of the lower tier-UCs (ucsb, ucd, ucsc, etc)” is ridiculous. Davis and Santa Barbara are not considered lower-tier by any stretch of the imagination.
But anyhow, you have a 3.7, plus you have several more classes to take. This could boost your GPA to 3.8, if you play your cards right. Both 3.7 and 3.8 are certainly UCB and UCLA calibre, depending on a variety of circumstances, including department, grade trends, et cetera.
Ad yes, you need to list all colleges. Absolutely do not leave CSU out.
Repeating once more that I’m not a UC counselor and that you ought to check with one (or a counselor at your CC)
I don’t know the rules for how they replace classes at a CSU if you take them elsewhere, sorry
If all you have ever taken is lower-division classes then you cannot hit the unit cap if you continue taking classes at your CC. All CC classes are lower division. Even if you take a 100 units at the CC, my interpretation of the rules is that they will give you a max 70 units of xferable credit no matter whether the lower division classes come from any non-UC 4-year college or a CC. You are going to xfer to a UC with 70 units, period. Like I wrote before – following the guide at the top of page 2 of the link given in post #2, add on any upper-division classes taken anywhere and all UC units not counted in the 70 lower division unit cap. This is your UC xfer total. In your case it will be 70.
Honestly, though, you ought to go talk to a counselor at your CC or (better) sit down with a UC rep the next time they visit your campus. The UC rep will know the rules, no guessing.
Maybe I can choose not to repeat one of the 17 units so I can take one more class for IGETC.