@indyk8
He has a 3.7 CC GPA. He has Fs (among other grades at CSU. So his overall GPA will be much lower.
Per OPs post, his CSU won’t allow academic renewal for 5 years.
Lastly with a disqualification from one CSU, he may be able to apply to other CSUs since they are all in the same system. Hence why I said applying for readmission is a good idea.
@mikemac
Units toward degree (70 max) are different from the units toward the admission cap.
He has courses from a 4-yr (CSU) so he is subject to the admission unit cap.
Okay thank you! One of the CSU classes I took was 3 units but the equivalent course at the CC is 4 units. UC factors in units from the CC, not the CSU, right?
So since Major pre-reqs are weighted more, would it be best to tailor my classes toward a UC I favor since UCs have different Major pre-reqs?
Or would it be better for me to get a partial IGETC and complete all of the major pre-reqs?
If I throw out UCLA, then I have 14.5 units possible to take for Major Pre-reqs and IGETC. You said that for UC GPA, they don’t count the CSU grades if I repeat it at the CC, that also implies that they don’t count the CSU credit/units as well right?
Also, if I failed a upper-division class, that isn’t factored into UC-GPA?
@lindyk8
AR for CSU states that I need five (5) years of gap time and I just got dismissed.
I can’t do Course Forgiveness at the CSU because I’m dismissed. Which is why my plan is to take equivalent courses at CC and apply as a transfer to a UC.
@mikemac
So my understanding from this is that to get 70+ units transferred, I have to take upper-division classes?
@Virilux
You have to repeat the course in the fall (or prior) that you send your application. Then list in the additional comments section which CC course is a repeat of which CSU course [just for good measure].
When the UCs evaluate your application in the spring they will cross out the non transferable courses and the old failed courses from your CSU and only factor in the passing grades from CC. Likewise they will do the same for the repeats you have at CSU. So your C- at CSU will not be factored into your UC GPA or units but the A- repeat will be. So repeats will not increase your unit count toward the cap BUT will increase your gpa. The only exception will be, as you said, if you repeat a course that was originally 3 units but the new repeat is 4; In that case you will gain 1 transferable unit.
I would personally pick one of the easier UCs (e.g. UCSC or UCR) and tailer your major pre-reqs to that UC. Major pre-reqs are more important than IGETC but if you can finish both that would be the best.
The failed upper-division class will be factored into your UC GPA unfortunately.
To recap:
Objective #1 and most important is to repeat any Ds of Fs in the Spring '15, Summer '15 or Fall '15 semesters.
Objective #2 is major pre-reqs.
Objective #3 is IGETC
In the Additional Comment sections, would I also state the reasons why I was dismissed from CSU and how I’ve changed? Or is that for to be in the personal statements which I believe you said that they don’t read at all haha.
Typically you would put that information in the additional comments section. You want your personal statement to show your strong positive qualities instead.
Personal Statement will only be read by UCLA, Cal, UCI and UCM for admissions. The latter two, UCI and UCM don’t much more emphasis on essays tho.
Since you can’t apply to UCLA because of units only Cal will put any weight into your essays.
Alright, thanks! I’ll probably have to aim at the lowest I can since I get hit by 10 units of failed Upper-div classes. What happened to the holistic approach UCs were suppose to take?!
Everything g bomerr says sounds right. I was aware that the 3.7 was his CCC GPA, which should hopefully remain or go up as long as he retakes the CSU classes. You can retake classes at a CCC to replace those CSU courses. You just need to work with a counselor. By cross-checking assist.org, toggling among UC, CCC, and CSU, you should pretty accurately figure it out, unless you took an off-the-wall class. The UCs also have their own in-house articulation list for the CSUs, so perhaps you can find a UC advisor who can help you sort it out.
I still say you are not limited in your UC choices, assuming the courses get squared away.
Do you have a link to how UCs calculate GPAs for transfers? Do they basically just factor both nontransferable and transferable courses into the GPA where the CC would just over-write the grades any equivalent courses from CSU?
They don’t factor in non-transferable courses when they calculate GPA. If you retake a course and the new course is 3 units and let’s say the D class it is replacing was 4 units, they will calculate the D for that one extra unit, assuming it is transferable.
First of all, you are not doomed. My own story involves flunking out of college my freshman year, landing at a community college, transferring into and graduating from my state flagship with Latin honors, and earning an Ivy League PhD.
That said, if you don’t tell colleges you apply to the truth, yep, you’re doomed. Better to be able to say that you messed up and have learned from it than to try to run away from your past.
@bomerr, @lindyk8
How do you check if an upper-division is transferable or not? Also, one of them happened to be a lab class for a lower division science class. So it was three 3 unit classes and one 1 unit lab that I can’t take at a CC because CCs don’t do upper divisions.
@dfbdfb
That’s quite an inspiring story! And I agree completely now and will no longer want to hide or run away.
@lindyk8
CC do not offer upper div courses so unless he can enroll as a non-degree seeking students at another 4-yr uni, he will not be able to repeat them. I did the math:
34.5 units @ 3.7
10 units @
30 units @ 4.0
= 3.32 total GPA.
Since OP doesn’t have 30 units of 4.0 A at CSU, his real GPA is lower. OP is barely competitive for the low-end UCs and a huge reach for the mid-tiers. If he can get 15 units of As, then his overall GPA will raise to be so-so for mid-tier UCs.
I am not really sure how that works. I know 100% they calculate the F into your GPA but I am not sure if the units will count toward the limit.
Like I said, it would be a good idea to really consider some of the less competitive privates such as Chapman or LMU or some OOS schools. I know ASU accepts IGETC. Readmission is probably your best option tho.
