Acceptance numbers?

<p>Trying to remember it as it was almost exactly a year ago....Everyone attending the audition had the dance call which had a ballet and a jazz combination. But then half the people did their singing/monologue auditions with one set of auditors and the other half were assigned a second set (thus not everyone saw the same auditiors). Also, current BFA students sat in on the auditions as an "audience". By the way there was a Q and A session for parents with the director and a parent panel of current students while the dance auditions were held. Anyway, after everyone had their audition turns one by one, a callback list was generated. Those called back then had turns one by one with the entire audition panel (the two audition panels combined). The director of the program had been part of one panel initially but now anyone called back would also been seen by him, if not originally. I think at the callbacks, they auditioned again with their songs/monos (do not redo dance) and then there is a little interview type segment as part of that callback. That's it and then you find out if you are in or not via mail. </p>

<p>Susan</p>

<p>Susan is right on...at the callback this week, the people who were asked to stay had to sing again (its usually just one song) and then there's about a 5-10 minute interview. Its the easiest part of the day--you get to let loose and be yourself with the faculty. They usually ask you questions all about yourself, your training, why Penn State, the usual questions :o)</p>

<p>yes, what are the auditioners asked to do? lol...and melsmom, you said "walk of shame"...are you saying that, as everyone standing together and they call names out and if your name isnt called out then your walking out the door?</p>

<p>Yep, theatrejock, pretty much. You're all in a holding room and go in one at at time (you'll hear the belters beyond the door, believe me!) Then when you come out, you are either smiling or taking "the walk of shame." She got a couple of hugs and said goodbye, quickly I might add due to my having packed up while she was "in there." There was a group of "callbacks" chilling together in the middle of the room congratulating each other and that's it... pretty much.
She just finished her last audition yesterday and said that PSU was the most stressful, partially because she loves the school, but also because of the process... All the teachers were in the room, along with many current students. You also had to listen to - and watch- the person go before you while on deck. Stress is :D
She did not, however, audition for CMU which from the posts sounds like an even tougher one.
Hope I didn't make you too nervous.</p>

<p>nah, seems nerve racking..but having ccm as my fist audition..i feel pretty relaxed as i take on the rest of my auditions..good luck to your daughter.</p>

<p>Thanks, best to you too. It is usually better to know what to expect, and how to prepare, so now you do! My D did not do CCM either, so if you survived that, you'll ride out PSU, and from there it is uphill sailing!</p>

<p>It is true that it is a difficult and unnerving experience to have to leave rather abruptly as described above. I do think it is important to say that this scenario is not designed to humiliate anyone or put them on the spot; it is simply the way this faculty handles the initial audition. As soozievt pointed out, in the professional world one knows right away if they have been called back to audition further. Not having to wait for months to know if you are being considered can be seen as a positive result of this process as well.
I also think it is important to say that the PSU faculty sets up the experience so that auditioning students are made to feel that the school is glad they are there and the auditors want them to do their best. I know that the current MT students spend a lot of time mingling and answering tons of questions while the auditioning students are waiting. My D mentioned to me that many students commented to her that PSU might not have been at the top of their list coming into the audition, but after visiting classes, meeting the people, and seeing the current production ( The Boyfriend ), they have changed their mind. Although the audition process is bound to be stressful at any college, I wouldn't want people to avoid auditioning at PSU because of their callback procedure. I think most folks who audition here come away with the feeling that it is a well run ( and challenging ) audition, no matter the end result.
Good luck to all going through this audition season!</p>

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They called back, out of a group of 40 yesterday, about 10.

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While it may be true that
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this scenario is not designed to humiliate anyone or put them on the spot

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The truth of the matter is that the majority of these kids that made the trip, visited the classes, met the people and saw the current production...were sent ultimately on the "walk of shame."
There surely is a more discreet way of letting these kids who may have
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changed their mind

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about PSU being on the top of their list...down. I have to disagree that the kids have to know the negative result immediately, while the "interviewees" can wait 2 weeks. The other schools we have seen this year interview at the same time they audition, and the child leaves...to hear the results at a later date, either rolling or RD.
It may be the way the professional world does things, but it seems unprofessional for a college to do so.</p>

<p>I have to say that PSU did run a well organized audition and my D actually liked the school and program lots more after visiting than before hand. She did get to mingle with current students and also we sort of knew PSUCat before hand and she really added to my D's experience. The Q and A session for parents was well done, including with current students' parents and the director, considering some schools like Emerson offered NOTHING informative on the audition day. My D liked Emerson and it is a fine program...I am only talking the facts of the audition day (which basically is not how I judge a program....afterall, I have critiqued some improvements that I think Tisch could make to their audition process even though I think the program itself is great and my kid is happy there). </p>

<p>I do have a heart, however, about the finding out on the spot if one is sort of "cut" or not. It is that way at real auditions. I know other colleges didn't do it this way though. I guess each way has its plusses and minusses. Some say they liked knowing so soon. But on the other hand, the letter of rejection could just be mailed a few days later too. CMU has a way of having more auditors see a kid, including the director without there being an "observable" cut that others are aware of. Like for the singing AND for the monolgues, for each of those portions, my D saw 2-3 different people, doing it over again for each one....same idea but just one on one and other kids were not as aware of that....like no annouced call back list. </p>

<p>Obviously at PSU, my D didn't go through the "no callback" part so my child's experience was positive but I do understand how tough it was for those not called back and even at the time, my heart sank because the day is so full of anxiety and they do find out rather publicly. I know there was a waiting room for the parents and I stayed in there the entire time, not wanting to even be a part of that stuff. I know when my child found out she was called back and came into the parent room to tell me, she tried to do it with little emotion and to be discreet because she was VERY conscious that other parents were in there, some kids, and it just didn't feel right to display any excitement. So, I do understand all the feelings being discussed here. </p>

<p>I do think the program seemed really good. I like that we were able to see a production and observe a class....which was not possible at some schools on the audition weekends. They made an effort to have current students and parents available....some other schools also nicely did this, but not all. I do understand Melsmom's point about not informing kids of being cut from the running right on the audition day. I have mixed feelings about it.....I don't think they HAVE to do it this way as other schools do not, though I do think it helps to get results quickly (much easier for the kid in private, I agree). This procedure, however, is one they will have to grapple with a lot in the audition world (I understand this is college, though), just saying. My D has been through that before. I know it is hard. At some point, you just have to almost toughen up inside and while disappointments are so difficult and kids really have a right to feel badly, they also have to eventually just know that this field is so many "no's" to get the few "yes's" and it goes with the territory and is not a sign that they are not good enough but just that they the odds are so difficult and that there will be many no's along the way. As I said, my D has gone to auditions outside of college where it is done just this way. Whether colleges should do it this way, I can't say, but it definitely will be the typical experience every other place. I know my D was at an audition when many many hundreds were trying for it. While she is a confident person overall, she also is realistic and knows how unlikely it will be to get whatever it is. Sure, if she is on the lucky side and makes all the cuts, it is clearly a happier feeling but she doesn't come to expect it and so you almost need to just pick yourself up and go onto the next one. I think my kids didn't get upset with a college denial because they knew how unpredicatable and difficult the real selective ones would be. But granted, as you say, Melsmom, it was in private. Just saying, they didn't get worked up over it in private but it is easier in private, for sure. The rest of their theater lives will involve cuts on the spot, just like in Chorus Line. I can tell you that's the experiences she is having in the audition world. And yes, it is exciting to be on the side of having your number called for a callback. However, I am sympathetic for when that moment comes and someone doesn't have their number called right in front of others in a line up (it is SO like Chorus Line). I expect my kid to have the latter happen way more than the former. </p>

<p>I do understand all the sides of the issue. I did think overall that PSU did run a good audition day. I know that may appear because my D had the callback experience plus felt real positive about how it all went but just saying as an outside observer, having attended 8 different college auditions, it was one of the well run ones relatively. </p>

<p>Susan</p>

<p>Melsmom,
My take on the audition process was--
When I auditioned at PSU, ithe interview itself was different than any other school I auditioned at. Its very personal and they take a lot of time with each "interviewee". It wasn't a couple specific questions, and then "do you have any questions for us?" and thats it. </p>

<p>It is easy to do it the same day because some students travel from out of state or they have other auditions the next few weekends and are not able to make it back to campus. They do not do it at the same time as the initial audition because sometimes the faculty is split, and the whole faculty wants to be able to meet each interviewee. The entire MT faculty sits in on these auditions. As you said above, so do some of the students. We are on your child's side as we sit in there--we know what they are going through because we went through it too!</p>

<p>I am well aware of the "professional atmosphere" involved at professional auditions, having been a mom with an "Annie Kid," growing up. She has auditioned for, and has quite a few professional credits on her resume. Sometimes at auditions you were in a large group and you just stayed until the end...or you left early. Far more often you were asked to come back a second or even third time to reaudition for other people. (Thankfully the colleges know better than to do that!) Due to growing up this way, My D (and I) are really quite tough and she really had no complaint whatsoever about the way PSU ran their audition, or their cut policy.
My observation about PSU's "process" is that the school is not going to be paying my D for her time/choice to attend. She is paying them (30K?) for their services of educating her. Therefore, perhaps the school could be a little less obvious in the way they handle things, as this is truly not a professional gig the kids are trying for, but a shot at getting into a program at a well respected University.
Also, to make it clear that I am not a "stage mom" who hangs around wringing her hands while my D is behind the door. At PSU's audition I dropped her off, relaxed with my book elsewhere while the info session was going on, catching the last few minutes when a student found me and made me go! Straightened up my D's things, left, went shopping, came back and found the room where the kids and a few parents were, gave her a hug, put on her IPod headphones, and started packing. I couldn't help but notice though, the brave young men and women coming out of the room one by one with their heads down, grasping for their things, only to head for the door. It made me, and I'm sure everyone, very uncomfortable and sad.
College denial is par for the course, especially in this genre. My D and I have our eyes wide open about the odds of getting in. My take on the subject of auditioning for college stands, and it is that a college is not a professional gig, but a place to prepare the kids for one. Perhaps the lesson about callbacks would be better served when the kid is in the program as opposed to trying to get in.
As a MT parent, I love it when my D comes out of an audition with a smile on her face telling me that she did a great job and feels confident about how it went. Time of course will tell one way or another how she actually did "in there." But for all her hard work and preparation, plus the fact that she did travel, see a show, meet faculty & kids, she is entitled to a few moments to think she has a shot. I'm glad most of her auditions have given her that feeling. She knows when she's had a less than stellar audition though, and can prepare herself privately for the letter that may come saying "Thanks, but no thanks." (PSU does send one, even with the public rejection.)
Nuff said, I know in my heart that my D will have good choices at the end of this, and truly she has moved on from that one incident. The opinions here are totally my own, and she would be upset if she knew I even cared enough to write about it! She's so cool :cool: and I am so proud of her!</p>

<p>I feel I can be pretty objective about this as PSU was not on my daughters list of schools. D also has a lot of auditioning experience, professional and amateur and is quite familiar with "sometime you get the job and sometime you don't" and has NEVER been upset over not getting a callback or a professional gig. However, she would be EXTREMELY upset to virtually be told in front of a roomful of her peers that "she just didn't make the grade". College auditions ARE NOT professional auditions, and the auditors should be sensitive to that fact. And my kid has professional experience; I can only wonder what a deleterious effect that public humiliation has on the vast majority of the kids who audition only having done their HS shows!
Yikes, I'm aghast!!</p>

<p>Melsmom, I agree that I felt uncomfortable and it was more tense because of it being more public than private. That's why I was saying, like you, I didn't really want to be around and it was awkward. I felt a weight lift, in effect, when in the parent waiting room later in the day when it was just parents/kids in callbacks. The other situation definitely was difficult. I do agree with all that you said. I haven't seen other schools do this. Like you, I have experienced it at auditions for theater, particularly at the "higher levels" of theater. It surely is way easier to deal with private notification. Even at school, I think it is easier when cast lists are sent to your email rather than posted on the wall and everyone finds out in front of everyone. I do have a heart about this. My preference would be in private, to find out. I know it isn't always this way but it sure is nicer when it is. And yes, the kids who did not get a callback didn't have those moments after an audition to feel, "that went well for me" because often it DOES go well, even when they are not admitted. I do understand how you feel. I personally do not find it humiliating but more having to face a disappointing moment amongst others publicly. There surely is nothing to be humiliated about because we know there are so many talented kids who are not going to get in. I know kids, for example, at so called "top BFA programs" who did not get into PSU. There surely is no humiliation in not getting in because it is not a commentary on their talent. It is definitely very disappointing, however. In many ways, it is better to have the audition day be positive and get the disappointing news after that day. Just to say I totally get what you are saying and feeling. I was pointing out what professional auditions are like and you already know what that is like. Clearly this is a tough thing to go through.</p>

<p>I did a walk-in audition for Penn State at the LA Unifieds and later that day completed my application for admission. I was wondering if anyone knew how soon after the audition one recieves a decision.
Thanks</p>

<p>The final PSU audition for MT is this coming Saturday. After that, the faculty sits down and makes their decisions and will send their recommendations to the admissions dept within a week or so after that. Once a student gets the go ahead from admissions, they mail out the program acceptance letters. They are also offering a waitlist option for the first time this year as well. Since you just applied to the university as well, you may have to wait a bit longer than usual while the admissions dept reviews your application. Good luck...wonderful program, university, faculty and students!</p>

<p>Okay, so I guess I'll find out from Penn State around the same time I hear from all of the others.
Thanks for answering my question. :)</p>

<p>Hi actingreacting1,
You will be hearing any minute, if you haven't all ready. Good luck! From what I understand, the best you can hope for is an invitation to come to the campus and audition again, with the next wave of hopefuls. As you may have noticed "acceptance numbers" are VERY competitive (and low)!! It will be interesting when this is over to see how many from the Unifieds made it...Don't give up, hopefully you will hear good news soon!</p>

<p>I have heard from one person from LA Unifieds and one from Chicago Unifieds who were "called back" but had to go to campus to do that, which I thought was surprising as it kinda defeats the purpose of Unifieds, nor did they know ahead of time that this was a possibility or they may have gone to campus in the first place. I realize that the entire auditor team is not present at LA or Chicago, nor are there dance auditions. My D's friend got accepted at PSU from NYC Unifieds last year but opted to not attend. That Unifieds does not have a callback ON campus.</p>

<p>There was a boy from LA Unifieds that was at the audition last weekend. He did a callback in which I think he did all of his material for the entire faculty and then had an interview. The NYC unifieds don't have the callback on campus because there are dance auditions and more of the faculty is present. Spence, one of the dance professors, said she danced on carpet all day in the hotel and was exhausted after the weekend :o)</p>

<p>That kind of spells it out for the young lady above from LA unifieds then. The callbacks were sent fairly quickly by email and since the last audition is this weekend, it doesn't sound too promising. Unless...they really feel compelled to have a few come down after auditions? I really doubt they will have the need to look any further than the many qualified already deferred though. Well, hopefully some will be as lucky as Soozievt's D last year, on the last audition, with an outright acceptance!
We are lucky to have you here psucat, to help our kids. Thanks!</p>