<p>i honestly think this topic is stupid. if ur gonna go to a college based on acceptance rates, your head is not in the right spot</p>
<p>It looks like I was succesfully goaded into responding to this thread again - something I said I wasn't going to do. I want to set the record straight if only to exonerate myself from BlacknBlue's comments.</p>
<p>I originally posted on this thread politely asking about BnB's intentions on this thread and commented that after 5 pages it looked like no one was getting anywhere with the conversation as he and others were engaged in pointless and offesive ad hominems and personal attacks. When BnB called Chicago applicants illiterate I knew immediately that he had taken the role of a troll which is a person who frequents forums for the sole reason of antagonizing and insulting people. In other boards I frequent which make use of more moderators personal insults are not tolerated and trolls are banned. To be sure I PMed BnB. This is the PM I sent:</p>
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For your information I tolerate and embrace dissent as long as it stays polite and productive. What I don't tolerate is ad-hominems such as blanket statements that Chicago accepts illiterate people. This isn't dissent - it's flaming, the behavior of a troll. I responded with an ad-hominem myself - and look at how angry you got. You still haven't explained why you're posting on this forum or what you're trying to gain here. Given your acerbic posts and your antipathy toward Chicago (let's not quibble that it was over admission and yield - you argue that it is a reflection on the school labeling it "2nd best") I have to assume that you're not attending and most likely didn't apply. If you didn't apply, aren't considering it or matriculating there, attempt to sustain a long thread which isn't productive, and resort to personal attacks, then I have to assume you're a troll.
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This was his reply
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i never said uchi was 2nd best. you did. i said it was not the first choice of many of the accepted students at uchi. apparently, you don't know how to read. that being the case, who did you hire to write your essays for you? you are so blinded by your insecurities that you cannot engage in polite discussion. the yield is what it is and it is the yield that determines how many students the school admits. if more students would accept the schools offers of admission, uchi wouldn't have to accept such a large percentage. why do you think so many refuse to attend when they went to all the trouble of filling out a non common app? is it because those students feel the courseload is too hard? i doubt it. it's probably because they have other choices. i don't make up the yield and admit numbers. so why don't you take a valium and be happy that the admit rate is so high that you were able to get in. btw, tell the truth, what other schools did you get into? any with an acceptance rate of 20% or less? you don't have to tell me, but you know...and so do I.
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Bold Mine</p>
<p>In the bold it is clear that he again resorts to insults and personal attacks. Also in the bold is another example of his insinuations that other institutions are more desirable because they have a lower admit rate, after citing that neither the uncommon app or the rigorous academics prevent people from matriculating at Chicago, going on to say that those that enroll at Chicago didn't have any other choice. Note that I am not passing judgment on his remarks -my goal is to prove that he has clearly insinuated through every way possible that his remarks were tantamount to declaring that Chicago is "second best". His later assurances to the contrary don't change ex post facto what he has already said. </p>
<p>Since he is not attending and (presumably) did not apply to Chicago he has no connection to the school and no value to gain by continuing this thread except to insult and irritate posters by which he (most likely) gains pleasure from. Throughout this thread he has slandered and insulted myself and other posters and has remained rude throughout. I have presented the facts (in form of PM) and all other posts are visible. I shall not be responding to this thread again no matter what insulting comments he will make (which he most likely will). It is up to the other members of this forum to judge my actions and his and decide who was appropriate. Remember I have no opposition to continuing this discussion - but not with a troll who uses ad hominems. An insult is not an argument.</p>
<p>dendankin,</p>
<p>The reason that I have no use for BnB is because BnB comes across as one arrogant "know it all" that has all the answers and thinks that he is a college admissions expert.</p>
<p>BnB consistently puts down the students of Chicago as being inferior to those that attend the so-called 20% schools. I would still like to know where BnB is going to school. </p>
<p>BnB only posts on this board for this purpose.</p>
<p>BTW congratulations on your decision to attend Chicago. It must have been hard in choosing among Amherst, Cornell and Chicago, although Amherst vs Chicago was probably the hardest choice.</p>
<p>However, if you chose Amherst you would have avoided the infamous core requirement. I believe Amherst has no such requirement.</p>
<p>Myself,</p>
<p>RIGHT ON! I wonder if BlacknBlue, Byerly and Slipper1234 are the same person.</p>
<p>Myself, </p>
<p>Many fancy words! You did study your vocab. So did every nerd on this forum, so don't show off. I think you are taking it too personally and if you are a man of word, you would keep it; if you said you wouldn't reply, then don't. BnB has made a sound argument (except the illiterate part - that was a dick move on his part), and I didn't feel insulted. And I am one of those who picks Chicago over Amherst. And I do know that ppl would wounder why? BECAUSE THE SCHOOL IS ****ing great! And I would get more of it that from Amherst, just like most attendees at Uchi. At this level the quality of education goes to the background. Here comes the quetion of which school provides the best atmosphere for learning. Now this question I want to ask you, MYSELF. Why do you get so bitter if you are sure you are right? I think ppl at chicago would protect their honor against the kinds of BNB not by excessive jargone, but what they make of themselves.</p>
<p>another note to myself, again, not myself but the other myself. once the reality of my position sets in, there doesn't seem to be any other method of argument but to mislead and distort the facts. i again maintain my position that the only free discourse that can be had on a uchi forum is one where everyone is in agreement. once someone varies from the party line, they are either deemed a troll or wished violence upon. although i do see some here that haven't yet drunken the uchi koolaid so there is still hope for the future. i stress again that i have gone out of my way to say what a learned institution uchi is, but that is just not enough. to properly address the issue raised by the original op, one needs to understand the context of admit rates and more importantly the yield as relates to the admit rates. although those numbers are not flattering to uchi, the discourse is obfuscated by the rah rah's who take the recitation of the numbers as a statement as to the quality of the institution. it is not. the institution is fine, however, the close minded reaction of many on this thread makes me wonder about the institution. i believe that one of the intended purposes of higher education is to open the mind, but clearly, as this thread shows, uchi has failed some of its students. i have never once said that uchi or its students were second best, i believe that the poster, myself, said that, but i do believe that uchi is usually a second choice. actually a great one that i would be proud to attend...provided there is not a more attractive choice for me. many, but not all, of the more attractive choices in my mind happen to be institutions that accept 20% or less, not because they accept 20% or less, but for a host of other reasons. it's just that many others see the world the way i do and flock to those schools, and when accepted usually attend, which is why they are 20% schools. they can afford to accept less applicants because they know most of the accepted will attend. it is no slam to uchi that many of their students did not get into those other schools. it is a compliment to uchi that those non accepting students deemed uchi worthy enough to make the effort to apply to uchi in the first place. as to whether i applied to uchi or not, it is really not relevent, only that like a lot of others, it would be my second choice, which is a compliment. i am sorry if anyone thinks me arrogant or that i am trying to be a college admissions officer, because, i am not nor am i trying to be. i just lay out my analysis of the yield and admit rate. in fact, my analysis is not even unique. read anywhere and you will find what colleges interpret yield to indicate. it's just that a lot of uchi people have never seen it or heard it in the raw form that i present it. i am also sorry that what i, along with others, perceive to be the truth is threatening to so many. i am not sorry that i have stated my position, but sorry that some on this thread don't have the strength to embrace the truth and would rather see this thread "die" rather than perpetuate the truth. </p>
<p>patsfan: who are byerly and slipper? are they the other two wise men?</p>
<p>41% is too much, especially for UChicago. Are they starting to take more students below 3.5 GPA and 2000 SAT?</p>
<p>UCHICAGO > high school</p>
<p>It's not so much that they simply take those students, but it's more about taking those students they find interesting and that have potential......despite the fact that they may have lower test scores/GPA/sexual ability...</p>
<p>low/high/high</p>
<p>Can anybody tell me the average SAT for UChicago admits? Thanks.</p>
<p>CLASS OF 2009</p>
<p>Distribution by Combined SAT I Scores </p>
<p>1500-1600 29%
1400-1490 39%
1300-1390 22%
1200-1290 8%
1100-1190 2%
1000-1090 0%
Below 1000 0%
Mid 50% SAT I 13801500</p>
<p>Blacknblue: I understand where you are coming from. I see validity in your argument, and it can be argued either way. I don't think you are necessarily right, and I don't think dendankin is necessarily the only viewpoint.</p>
<p>But blacknblue, this is a time when we rejoice. we got into a great college in uchicago. and for many, this was the top college that we got into. If we pride ourselves over this fact, cant you just let it go without having to give us reason not to? im sure you got into a fine institution, and congratulations. this is a time for congratulations, not the "oh you got into the college that all ivy rejects go."</p>
<p>with that, lets drop it.</p>
<p>Blackn Blue,</p>
<p>Byerly and Slipper are not the other two wise men. They are the other two Stooges.</p>
<p>lets turn this post into a game of forum tag.
ok im "it", and i will name a person. that person needs to respond within 1 hr of my post, otherwise he will become "it". and so the game continues.</p>
<p>esquared</p>
<p>In what way am I supposed to respond? </p>
<p>Icried11times (re-tag)</p>
<p>patsfan, thanks for clearing that up. so those two guy along with you make up the full three stooges. cool</p>
<p>this game sucks</p>