<p>I went to univeristy in the UK but when I looked at American undergrad programs, Penn M&T had an average SAT of around 1540/1600 and SAT Math 2 of 790. That was almost 10 years ago. Are those stats accurate today?</p>
<p>Also the earlier poster’s view that all Harvard alums >>>>>>> Penn alums seems more than a little presumptuous.</p>
<p>The real world doens’t care where you went to college but what you can do for them (can you bring in revenue?)- e.g. if you are investment banker or consultant, what clients do you have? Does your book of business travel?</p>
<p>If you are an engineer or scientist, what publications have you written? How good are your programming and technical skills?</p>
<p>For medicine and law admissions, GPA matters substantially more than where you study. Excellent GPA at Penn State > Good GPA at Penn</p>
<p>All that said, for the OP at 20K less per year, I would definitely choose Harvard.</p>
<p>Gotta love ■■■■■■. If you think a serious employer would look down on an M&T degree you’re nuts. To a kid in high school that wants to brag at graduation parties it might sounds more impressive to a random person that you go to HYPS but that won’t mean **** down the line. </p>
<p>Already been said but if you want to do M&T appeal your financial aid and maybe show them what Harvard’s giving you. I really doubt the university would want to lose someone in M&T over finances.</p>
<p>Go enjoy the Liberal Arts at Harvard where your peers will have diverse passions. Wharton is an amazing business school, but by and large its students all really want the same things, and are extremely competitive about it. At the end of the day, if you go to Harvard, you’ll still be as, if not more, competitive for the most elite jobs as your peers at Wharton.</p>
<p>Princetondreams, you are so wrong that its not even funny. This has already been debunked on WSO where you saw that but conveniently forgot to include the response. You are comparing ALL of Harvard including law school business school college etc just to Wharton, which is dumb. </p>
<p>For those of us actually grounded in reality, here are a few threads that actually intelligently debate this:</p>
<p>kafkereborn, instead of going through the trouble to find that, you should have just said (qualifying it with a few of the things mentioned, like how it doesn’t actually mean anything) that he basically just disproved his point to the max, since Harvard graduates about 1600 students a year, whereas Wharton graduates about 500 or 550 students a year, so the percentage of available graduates to number of jobs held in each company would point without a doubt to Wharton.</p>
<p>Also, @princetondream’s comment about how everyone at Wharton wants to do the same thing…um, Wharton is part of Penn. There’s the other 2000 students in engineering, CAS, and nursing who are interested in things besides banking (besides the fact that while many Wharton students are interested in banking, many are not…I’m one of those).</p>
<p>At least, that was what I was going to say, but you got here first.</p>
<p>None of us Penn students ever yelled, “PENNN!!!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HARVARD. NO BRAINER OMG YOU’D BE SO DUMB/■■■■■■■■ TO GO TO HARVARDDDDDD. PENN PENN FTW!!!111!” like you…</p>
<p>Also, in addition to what kafkare and scribbler have pointed out, you just compared Harvard to Wharton. Try comparing Harvard to M&T.</p>
<p>From what alums from my school (a significant feeder school) at Penn have told me is that there isn’t much interaction between Whartonites and everyone else.</p>
<p>“From what alums from my school (a significant feeder school) at Penn have told me is that there isn’t much interaction between Whartonites and everyone else.” </p>
<p>Well, those alums from your ‘feeder school’ (what do you qualify as feeder school/where are you from? Hopefully not my school, which is a feeder school…) must be outliers (or make no effort), because they’re completely wrong.
I’m in Wharton, and: my best friend is in engineering, nearly a third of the people in my business frat (who I’m really close with) are in engineering/college, all of the people I work with at the paper <em>aren’t</em> in Wharton, one guy I almost dated and one I <em>kind</em> of dated (I’ll let you figure that one out) were in the college…I could go on and on and on.</p>
<p>***Also, reasoning out your opinion gets your point across a heck of a lot better than stating something that’s obviously not fact as if it were so and basically degrading Penn without any explanation.</p>
As already pointed out, this statement is utterly laughable, and demonstrates a profound lack of knowledge about and understanding of undergraduate life at Penn and Wharton.</p>
<p>You really should quit before you dig yourself any deeper.</p>
<p>That’s not true at all. I am in the college and I have plenty of friends in Wharton. Wharton is not nearly as one-dimensional as PrincetonDreams suggests. Wharton students have a variety of interests besides finance including public policy and management. And despite the College being known as the school to pursue liberal arts, some of the most intellectual conversations I’ve had were with people in Wharton and engineering. You can get a great liberal arts education here and in addition to that you have great opportunities to do research.</p>
<p>You should really just stop talking. You have no idea what you’re talking about and fronting like you do. My frat has a mix of Whartonites, CAS and engineers along with most other things at Penn. You’re spewing nonsense you heard at your high school and trying to get others to make serious decisions based on that rather than what is actually true.</p>
<p>I don’t know if the OP is actually reading this crap anymore, but to actually give you something useful:
I go to Wharton, another top ivy offered me 15k a year better aid and Penn matched. They will almost certainly match. At either school you will have excellent wall street opportunities later. Don’t base your decision off a tiny marginal difference in recruiting, whichever way it swings. Base it off the very different academic and social experiences you will have. Penn will be much more pre professional, and that can be good or bad. If you want to learn more abstract/theoretical economics (from the top professors in the world, of course) go to harvard. If you want to study business and engineering, go to wharton. You will have time from very little else in M&T. Socially, penn is more of a going downtown/party school on the weekends, although I mean that in a work hard play hard way. Sorry harvard kids, ive stayed with friends and it doesnt even come close. If you are opposed to partying though, you would probably be in a similar social scene at either school.</p>
<p>to the OP: Quick question… Did you come to M&T day? I’m a current M&T, so if you would like to talk to someone who made the same decision Harvard vs. M&T msg me.</p>