ACT with Extended Time

I completely agree with fallenchemist. I would like to add that in most (if not all) cases, running the 100 meter sprint is a voluntary action, while taking standardized tests is necessary to get into a vast majority of universities.

For those proposing the “the extra time doesn’t match perfectly with the actual disability” argument, I would like to say that, while I agree that the extra time won’t be exact, doctors try their best to administer the right amount of extra time for each disability, and so I believe that the estimation won’t be too absurd.

@mmk2015 Believe me, I tried not to worry about what people would think, but there are so many that see Depression and anxiety as “feeling sorry for myself” and whatnot. I’m signing up for it though :slight_smile:

@sunflowerscurls this is something you are going to have to get used to ignoring. I have been bipolar for over 30 years and I have learned to just shake it off when some idiot tells me that “the best was to deal with depression is to not be depressed”. Um thanks for that advice. I will pass that onto my doctor.

Depression does affect testing ability and processing speed. Anxiety can reduce your test score. Use the accomidations you have been given without concern for what others think. It will be good practice for the future of dealing with idiots.

@LKnomad Thank you so much! I appreciate the encouraging words.

I totally agree with Knomad. Don’t listen to the idiots who don’t understand that Depression/Axiety is a serious and legal medical condition protected by federal and state laws.

Sign up with the Accommodations. The colleges will not know that you took the test with Accommodations because that information is confidential.

What a brutal discussion. My very intelligent, learning disabled D has had a 504 plan in place since middle school. She regularly uses her accommodations (in all but math - not as, much reading required so she doesn’t need accommodations). She also used extended time for the ACT. She dId not achieve a 35 or 36 but her ACT test scores are closely aligned with her overall grades. It is my understanding that you either use your accommodations or you lose them. I wasn’t aware you could get extra time for just the standardized tests. We’ve just done a review of her 504 so her accommodatioms can follow her to college. I’m shocked at the responses here to the disability accommodations. As the OP alludes and my D says over and over again, she’d trade her 504 and her accommodations in a New York minute to be “learning normal.” This is not a way to game the system.

WOW. Wow wow. I cannot believe some of the comments. Especially the delightfully sour-graped hebegebe. I am very sorry you think it’s unfair that a kid with a disability gets extra time. Boo hoo. I guess it would be nicer for you if my dyslexic and dysgraphic son never got extra time, because it is so easy for him to read and write things in the same amount of time as kids with no issues. And he only has to deal with this every single day of his life, every single time he reads or writes anything. Thank goodness he is smart enough to do well in school despite his learning disability. Thank goodness education experts now understand that not every kid can just learn and perform in the same way as a kid with no issues.

I sometimes wish my son had been born Chinese, because apparently dyslexia is virtually unheard of in China. Makes sense, given that their language is based on sounds rather than letters. Way back when our language was first conceived of by the few educated minds of the day, they probably never envisioned that in the future, some kids might have a hard time knowing when a g makes a hard or soft g sound, or when a g should be followed by the letter e. How about these wonderful words: through, though, bough, enough, dough, cough, rough, thorough, etc… Super easy for dyslexic kids to figure those out, why would he need extra time for that? I digress, but people like hebegebe make my blood boil.

Looking back, I see that I made two mistakes in my initial comments:

  1. Bringing up the topic of extra time on an ACT test with a child who experiences the disability first-hand. As a parent, I definitely should have known better.
  2. When trying to explain why I had the views I did, doing a poor job of it with the "starting at 50-meters comment"

Because I made these earlier mistakes, I have refrained from further comments even as others have criticized me (mostly civilly). I brought this situation onto myself and didn’t want to inflame it any more than I already did with further responses.

But given @Lindagaf’s heart-felt post above, and my realization that many others may have felt that way but didn’t express it so vehemently, I wanted to explain further. To everyone:

I hope you will accept my apology for my hurtful comments. That was never my intent, and as I said earlier, I commend the OP’s accomplishments. My intent was only to discuss whether the purpose of standardized testing is to determine the ability to answer given ample time, or answer given a fixed amount of time. This was neither the time nor place to do so.

I love this thread.

Another question about extended time (time and a half) with the ACT (without writing): how much time does the student receive for breaks? I have seen conflicting numbers in my online search for information on this.

I understand that students are given 5 hours for the four multiple choice sections, to be divided up at their discretion. Does this include break time? Since time and a half for the four sections would be 4 hrs, 25 minutes (1.5 times the 2 hr. 55 minutes total for all sections), does that mean the student has 35 minutes in break time?

Read my initial post #1. It explains everything.

Also consider signing up for the Essay. You will get an extra hour, which you can split up any way you want. For example, you can use 30 minutes from the Essay time and apply it to the Science section. Then do the Essay with the remaining 30 minutes.

Thanks- I had read your post - just wanted to confirm the total time available for breaks if a person takes exactly time and a half on each of the sections.

Also, your earlier post stated “Once you finish a section, you cannot go back to it.” So doesn’t that mean that once you tell the proctor you’ve finished the science section you won’t be able to add time to it from the extra hour provided by the essay? Or does the proctor not care how you divide up he total 6 hours you get with the essay?

Thanks for your help - much appreciated. My D will be taking a practice test, and we wanted to be sure she knows what to expect during the actual exam.

The proctor doesn’t care how you divide your time just can’t work on more than 1 section at a time and writing is last if you take that. You really need to do a bunch of practice tests to figure out the timing that works best for you. My son really needed a bit more than double time on the reading but less time than normal on the math so things fell into place from there. Even with time and a half he finished the whole thing with 3-5 minutes to spare each time so he really needed to know how to pace himself.

I’ve thought about a lot of these issues long and hard. I don’t have any LDs but married an extremely bright woman who, along with her father and two of her siblings, was dyslexic (and probably ADHD). I have one son who is severely dyslexic and probably ADHD and a daughter who is ADHD. My father-in-law was told he was stupid. My wife was told that she had a very high IQ but was lazy. Her brother would have to study so hard at university that he would come home sick and sleep for a week after finals. (He is now a Dean at a very good university). I come from an academically strong family – my dad was a brilliant theoretical physicist and I attended three of HYPMS and taught at one – and while both my kids were quite bright (and IQ tests as part of LD testing confirmed this), it was evident from age 2 or 3 that my son was intellectually gifted. I negotiated long and hard with school systems on both their behalfs but especially his. It turned out that reading and writing were actually physically painful to him for years. They are now just fatiguing. Anyway, his record looked pretty much like @Gandhi21’s but it was a struggle getting there as it probably is for @Gandhi21.

This is a topic that had been covered repeatedly, so I’m just going to pull from a previous post.

  1. In general, as a society, we tend to conflate smart and quick. In common vernacular, a "slow student" is a poor student who doesn't get the ideas. That is usually true. But not always. For folks with certain kinds of learning disabilities, speed of input and output mask speed of processing. I had never experienced this until I meet my wife and especially my son. I liken my son's situation to having a supercomputer chip and dial-up input and output. If he gets the same test time as a typical kid, he actually has less time to think than they do because he's got to go through a fuzzy I/O filter and work hard at doing that. So, if your objective was to accurately test the processing capability, you'd need to allot more time. Some people actually do the processing more slowly (I think this may be what dyscalculia is, though I'm not sure) and need more time for the processing to provide the same output. In many subjects, math especially, I see no obvious reason why we need to have tight time limits (other than to protect students from harming their other subjects). In an earlier post in this thread, I gave my favorite example:

My father worked with a guy and said that if you asked his co-worker a question, even a relatively simple question, he just could not answer quickly, although he often came back the NEXT DAY with an unusually deep and thoughtful answer. Did his slow processing speed handicap him? Probably from a job as a litigator or as a manager in many organizations. Had the co-worker been judged based solely upon timed tests without accommodations, he would have fared poorly. Was he unintelligent or undeserving of a spot at one of the best schools? By some of your I’d hours the OP would say so. But, his name was John Bardeen and he shared the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1956 for the invention of the transistor, without which we wouldn’t have high speed computers let alone the internet or, heaven forbid, CC, and again in 1972, for a well-developed theory of superconductivity. Extraordinary – one Nobel for a practical device and another for deep theory.

I’d venture to guess that Bardeen was smarter than anyone who has ever posted on CC who is highly confident of the value of speed in math tests [maybe anyone who has ever posted on CC] and yet he was really, really slow. So, be aware that you are likely unknowingly conflating notions of intelligence and speed and that sometimes that conflation is incorrect.

  1. When is speed a useful criterion? Short, timed tests are, frankly, a lot more convenient for professors and universities (and school teachers and schools). Proctoring is easier. Less worries about cheating, or if only some kids get longer tests, logistics. Let's discount the convenience of schools systems. Let's assume that the reason to go to school is primarily to educate and not to sort (many CC folks get that confused as well and focus largely on the sorting effect of education, which is for the benefit of employers, grad schools, etc.). Are there any reasons to have timed tests (with tight time limits relative to the material)? I'm open to hearing them, but I can't think of any.

The College Board has studies showing that extra time results in a statistically significant improvement for kids with LDs but no statistically significant increase for those without LDs. I also found a doctoral dissertation with the same findings for the ACT. As such, I don’t see any reason not to give people the right to replace timed tests in many subjects.

Other than convenience, we’re thus left with the sorting function of colleges as the reason for timed tests. For example, someone else wondered if someone who needed extra time on tests could be a brain surgeon. If kids couldn’t do well on timed tests and HYPMS didn’t use its grading system to downgrade them for this inadequacy, would medical schools unwittingly take unqualified candidates? That’s tricky. For one thing, there are different kinds of LDs that affect different kinds of speed. Speed in reading and writing, or speed in doing calculations, is very different from speed in surgery. A dyslexic with great spatial sense might be superb as a surgeon – they can just “see” how to do things. They might, however, need longer to read charts. Dyslexia might not be a bar at all to someone who wanted to use complex math models to trade fixed income securities for Goldman Sachs but might be a bar to them become in lawyer.

Disclosure is the next issue raised. That was the subject of a class action lawsuit that ETS/The College Board settled to avoid losing, I think. High end universities review 10-20 kids per slot. Many are qualified and they are just looking for reasons to reject people who all seem really good. The disclosure of extra time could lead to a “Well, she may have done very well in HS but can she really cut it at Seriously Self-Impressed university where we have the best of the best and the competition can be intense.” I suspect that, given the data cited above, disclosing confers an unfair disadvantage on kids with LDs.

The good news is for the OP is that it can work out well. My son got into elite colleges, attended one, did better in college than in HS, started a company (a good things for dyslexics to do) while in college, and now is in the best graduate programs in the world in his chosen field. But, none of that would have happened without extra time.

This is obviously a sensitive topic, but I would argue that the ability to complete a task in 4 hours vs. 6 hours makes a big difference in the real world, regardless of whether you have a “true” disability.

I wonder whether part the ACT’s scoring curve becoming tougher in recent years might be due to an explosion of students taking advantage of the extended-time option, knowing that this information won’t show up on the score report. All of those extended-time high scores might be hurting the curve for students taking it with regular time limits. And being able to allocate the time however you choose among all the sections of the test (so long as you take them in order) is a HUGE advantage for test-takers.

The primary challenge of the ACT is not the questions themselves, but the time limit. Extend that time limit by 50%, and allow the test taker to take longer on certain sections (such as the Reading and Science sections, which traditionally have the most challenging time limits), and the ACT becomes a much easier test.

The College Board (maker of the SAT) is known to be stricter about granting and administering extended time tests, which may lessen this effect on the SAT: https://www.collegeboard.org/students-with-disabilities/typical-accommodations/time

I don’t know the exact percentages of kids with extra time but when my son has taken these tests with extra time he is typically the only one or half the time there is 1 other student. I would assume there are hundreds of kids taking these tests on a given day so less than 1 percent in our area. We live in a highly educated and wealthy suburb where parents can afford the testing needed to get accomodations. Even for things like BC Calc our school had 100 kids taking it and he was the only with accomodations, 2 for AP Gov which has over 200 at our school, etc. The amount of extra time granted is also not proportional to how slow his processing speed has been measured. Even though he has extra time it is still more of a time crunch for him than the “average” test taker. It does actually show for the ACT because the test administration date is different if schools are really looking for this. My son did get great scores on his testing but they were reflective of his place in his courses. His BC teacher said he was her top student in the past 5 years and he got a 5. It’s not like extra time allowed him to solve one of the problems on the test that no one else in our school was able to solve correctly. He got a 3 on APUSH but he got a B in the class and didn’t care about the topic. No amount of extra time could save him when he hadn’t studied enough to do better. I’m not sure how you would classify a “true” disability from a “fake” disability. Paying thousands of dollars for testing and spending hours going to Dr appts seems pretty extreme to get extra time. In my case my child has a lifelong physical disability that won’t be able to be hidden from employers but he is lucky that he has an amazing intellect and incredible work ethic that employers will certainly value over him being able to fill in blanks on a random assignment slower than the average person.

@shawbridge This is truly an intelligent, insightful answer that I have found almost only comes with seeing learning differences coupled with strengths first hand. I cringe when people mock poor spelling, because it’s often a fluke of a very intelligent mind. Accommodations such as extra time are akin to ‘letting’ students wear glasses for the test. If a person has not known someone with a true need for the extra time, it does seem to be ‘unfair,’ but that attitude is actually born of ignorance and inexperience. Thanks for taking the time to respond so thoughtfully.

^ thanks.

I took the ACT with accommodations in September, I also took the standard ACT in June and October. When I log on to my ACT account it only says “View Scores” for the June and “When will my scores be ready?” for October. It does not say anything about September, although in my order history it is clearly stated there. Do tests taken under accommodations not show on your account until the scores are ready? If so, do they appear in the same way as the other tests? Do they appear online or though the mail?

Thanks!

@bm23 Even with accommodations, it should show on your account. You can give ACT a call to clarify