Acting/ Vocal performance Schools in NY and CA ?

<p>D. wants to be a pop singer/actress. We are trying to compile a list of schools in the CA and NY area that would offer a major that would help her in this arena..that could be vocal performance and or acting. Schools should be close enough to LA or NYC to offer audition opportunites. Not looking for an MT major. </p>

<p>Can anyone add to the list below? (Do NOT want to go outside of CA or NY).</p>

<p>So far we have:</p>

<p>CA:
UCLA
USC
Occidental (sp)
Cal Arts</p>

<p>NY:
NYU
Suny Purchase</p>

<p>Thank you all!</p>

<p>Angst, I researched schools that had music programs including contemporary music in NYC and LA for you a while back last year on the Parent Forum, if you might recall. These were not for acting but were for what you said at the time your D wanted (pop music). I did a bunch of research for you on which schools had music programs in those two cities that would include more contemporary (not just classical) music. If you do not recall this, perhaps you can do a search of the Parent Forum. Acting programs is going to be a different list (perhaps some overlap). </p>

<p>Susan</p>

<p>You might consider adding the following</p>

<p>California for acting:
Cal State Fullerton
UC Santa Barbara</p>

<p>NY for acting
Ithaca
Julliard
Long Island U.
Marymount Manhattan
Syracuse
Bard
Sarah Lawrence</p>

<p>Just a friendly warning; schools with strong vocal performance programs are going to be looking for students with very strong classical orientation and training. I had a year of vocal performance training and I can tell you that there's nothing more that many voice teachers hate than pop singing in voice lessons. Not to presuppose anything, but generally pop and vocal technique have nothing to do with eachother.
Would your D ever consider majoring in something other than voice and finding a voice teacher who specializes in pop style training? Acting could be an option.
But just remember, Britney Spears didn't major in Pop Diva Performance anywhere. The media doesn't really care what college degree you have, or if you even have one. Finding a pop voice teacher outside of a school is going to be the best option in my opinion. (but i'm just a student! please don't take any of this as educated advice, it's just input!)
Good luck to your D! :) Searching for colleges is such a hard process, I'm going through it again myself!</p>

<p>MTpolk - I know exactly what you are saying here. I do think she should go to college (after all odds of making it as a pop singer are like winning the lottery) and she thinks and I agree that she should be in the right location.
So we did think of acting with voice classes on side or in college. </p>

<p>My goal here is to find schools that may offer a pop type of feel like Cal Arts that I had not heard of till Mary Anna mentioned it OR a school that would offer acting and she could continue to take voice on the side.
AND it should be close to the city.</p>

<p>Mary Anna I had imagined her for years going to Syracuse and getting a back up degree in broadcast communications. BUT after we talked etc...she wants to be near the city where she can audtion and try to start on her career. That eliminates Syracuse. Julliard is too classical. I dont know about the rest.</p>

<p>Susan..I have tried to keep a folder with all the wonderful information you and other parents have provided me with.
I have a list of general schools in it. But do not have one specific to CA and NY.
Do you recall if there was one specifically for the CA and NY areas? If so I must have missed it.
I have run off many of your posts and dont have that one.</p>

<p>Right now as we gear up for a busy junior year we will have to fit in visiting the schools and eliminating certain ones.</p>

<p>I know how tough it is to get in many of these schools so want to make sure we are aware of all of the schools out there in these areas so we dont overlook any.</p>

<p>All ideas here appreciated!</p>

<p>I just looked through my folder again and there it is...</p>

<p>So let me go through what I have and questions?</p>

<p>Brooklyn College of CUNY
CAL ARTS
Cal State Fullerton
Cal State LA
Chapman University
Colburn School of Performing Arts
Five Towns College
Hunter College
Julliard
Lehman College
Mannes College of Music
Musicians Institute
NYU - Steinhardt
Aaron Copland School of Music
Suny Purchase
Nyack College
Unive of California Irvine
Univ. of Californial Santa Barbara
UCLA
University of the Pacific
William Patterson Unive</p>

<p>Should USC also be on this list? I know I can eliminate Julliard right off the bat. Are there any other schools here that are too far from the city or for one reason or another could be eliminated?</p>

<p>Also what about Pace University in NYC and U. of Redlands in LA?</p>

<p>Thanks all!</p>

<p>Angst, perhaps while you were finding that, I was also researching the old threads just now from last winter on the Parent Forum. I, along with others, had many "discussions with you about your daughter's ambitions as well as college plans. I just located the thread with the college list I provided given your criteria....back then, this was NOT about acting but about vocal performance and her goal to be a "pop star". Here is the link to the thread where I posted the list I researched for you:</p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=11988&page=1&pp=20%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=11988&page=1&pp=20&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>As well, I found several threads from last winter on the Parent Forum where we had further discussions on this topic. I can find those links if you want them. </p>

<p>I have to run now, however.</p>

<p>Susan</p>

<p>angst,
I was afraid I might have sounded snooty there, so thanks for taking that lightly!
Have you considered schools that let you piece together your own major? I know it's unconventional, but if the school were in a city or good location then it might be possible to piece together a great curriculum for pop, and still get those liberal arts classes in there.</p>

<p>Look outside the box....Berklee School of Music in Boston and Belmont School of Music in Nashville.
I think that every student needs to pursue what they excel in and then everything else will fall into place.</p>

<p>Happy Days, Berklee and Belmont were suggested to Angstridden by myself and many others on several threads last winter on the Parent Forum. These are the programs known for her daughter's field of interest but her D is firm about the school being in NYC or LA. That topic was discussed at length on that forum (which I realize many on this one do not read). The colleges on the list I wrote above mostly have BMs in voice but usually that is classical. One or two might have offered contemporary music. So, the decision has to involve whether or not she wants to study voice in a classical vocal performance major or just what.</p>

<p>I'm sorry I didn't go back to read the old threads! I tend to just jump in to a conversation. But my advice stands...look outside the box (meaning schools not in LA or NYC.) There are so many great programs out there with so much to offer. LA and NYC will still be there in four years.</p>

<p>Happy Days, your advice makes sense. I would not have expected you to have read previous discussions on this topic because it was last winter on the Parent Forum on CC. I was just mentioning that lots of this was discussed in detail back then and so I am cognizant of some of that information or ideas that were brought up and realize you or someone reading this for the first time is not. </p>

<p>I do agree with you on your point. Thought I would just let ya know. In previous discusssions on this topic, I along with others, discussed that college is about the training (and performance opportunities in that setting) and it is unrealistic to be auditioning or trying to get work during the school year in NYC or LA. A performing arts student need not be in LA or NYC while training but would likely need to go there upon graduation to pursue work. So, Angst's D could either go straight for pursuing auditions, etc. in those markets now, or college, but it is hard to do both at the same time. I understand a kid wanting to be in NYC or LA for lots of reasons but just saying a student does not NEED to be in those cities while training. What someone like her D can do now in high school and while going to college, is to pursue performance opportunities locally and regionally, such as starting a band or getting gigs, writing music, and so forth. One need not go straight to the top. Starting in a local market (for her pop music interests) is one thing she can do now and pursue while in college too. </p>

<p>But to go to college with the hopes that she'd get into the field if the college was in the major market area, is not that realistic. You sorta have to pursue one or the other full force....either college or professional work. Another thing is to do college during the year, perform in some capacity while in college, and then do professional work in summers. Like you said, NYC and LA will be there for when her training/degree is done. Being in NYC or LA has some nice perks while you are going to school but I can't see picking a school with that parameter so much. Now, my own kid is going to college in NYC and I see some positive benefits about that AFTER the FACT of choosing her particular college but it was not the reason to go. She did not NEED to be in NYC now (will need to be in four years). But now that she is gonna be there, there are some aspects about it that are good but again, would not be the reason to choose it. There sometimes can be networking when you are there and working with people. By the same token, there is not really time to do auditions while in school and the school would frown upon it. So, while it is cool if some opportunity arises in the city while a student, there is the dilemma of what to do then. Believe me, I have thought about that in my own kid's case. It brings up difficult decisions. </p>

<p>Anyway, while I agree with your opinion about thinking of schools like Berklee and not limitting it to NYC or LA for college, I just know from many threads last winter with Angstridden that her D is not willing to do that. For me, I think the decision needs to be what kind of program she wants....BM in vocal performance? (classical usually) BFA in acting ? (really does not dovetail with pop music interest that much) or is she just wanting to break into the field (in which case she could pursue work without college). The other idea is to go to college for something of interest like music, and pursue pop music work on the side...getting gigs, forming a band, doing recordings (need NOT be in NYC or LA and in fact, it is better to start small...I mean even MT kids usually do not START on Broadway.....you gotta start somewhere....). If she truly wants training in contemporary music, a place like Berklee meets those learning needs. </p>

<p>Susan</p>

<p>Take a good look at Miami. They have a huge music program, including classes in the music and recording biz. I read that they have an endowment by the group Matchbox 20. There is a Matchbox 20 Foundation to help students launch recording careers.</p>

<p>There might be other music programs out there with similar offerings. Don't limit yourself to "the coasts".</p>

<p>That sounds interesting freelance! Thanks for the info. I definately think thats worth checking into.</p>

<p>Looking at the list I have for NY and CA area are there any schools listed that we could eliminate because they are too far from the city and thus defeat her purpose for wanting a close location?</p>

<p>She has the skills for her desired profession. We are not really looking so much for a place to learn the skills..but more a safe environment where she can explore the city, the opportunities and get her feet wet and learn also.</p>

<p>We are trying to narrow the list..so if anyone can share that ones too far or this or that..that would be appreciated greatly.</p>

<p>BTW we are set to record her demo on the 10th of September..all ready to go. She is really excited!</p>

<p>Angst, by narrowing the NY and LA schools down further as to which are right in the city or very very close, it is not really a sense of picking the schools that are the best fit for what she wants to study, etc. It seems as if she wants to find a college as a "place to live" and be doing something "worthwhile" while she is seeking work/contacts in these cities. $40,000 is a lot to spend to find a safe environment while she seeks out her career in those cities. I think you either need to decide to find a school where she can continue to hone her skills (I realize you have said she is "trained already"....on other threads in the past....but training should continue in college if going into the arts) OR skip college and go right into pursuing work as an artist (for this, I still believe she should start regionally and work her way up). If she went to a school like Berklee to study contemporary or commercial music or a school with recording industry focus, it makes sense. But simply to find a school in the city in which she hopes to launch her career might end up to be a school that she does not stay at because it does not hold her interest in the studies. I'd be looking for the "right" school, and of course, like any student, take location into account. I'd talk to those in the profession (pop music) and those at programs such as Berklee to ask the best route for pursuing her field. Often someone in that field is in a band or might be on a private label in a city outside of NY or LA and then work their way up. I've shared with you in the past of a local girl that I know very well who now has her own CD and three with her band and they are getting paid gigs all over and much write up in the press. They are starting out slowly and not yet going for the big labels. She writes her own music (does your D just do covers or write her own?) and this girl plays piano (is your D taking lessons?). The way to get into that business is not always by simply moving to NY or LA. It would be like my D (a MT kid) having to go straight to Broadway. Not likely gonna happen. I think if your D was in a program for popular music or recording, she'd be making contacts, improving her skills at a higher level than she has now, and get help in launching a career. To simply find a college in the city she wants to have a career in, is not gonna be an easier path to the career. People are discovered from all over. Simply my opinion.</p>

<p>Susan</p>

<p>Susan,</p>

<p>Naturally we would want to find a school that meshes with her personality and interests and naturally we would want her to learn and grow. I also did talk to a number of music producers through a source I found and they all said to go where the music is..and that was Nashville, NY or CA...so I do feel we are on the right path here.</p>

<p>Just like other kids have their reasons for going to schools in specific areas, so does she...and I think her reasons are valid.
And I am sure there are plenty of schools in the LA and NY area that will offer opportunities for growth and enhance her skills.</p>

<p>We have decided to limit our search to those areas with the exception of a saftey in MD and we may look into the Miami program, freelance mentions. We have already looked at and eliminated Berklee. This feels right to her.</p>

<p>So this is why I am respectfully asking for those who are familiar with the schools listed above to chime in on if they are in the right location near the city or if for some other reason they could be eliminated. </p>

<p>What someone knows off the top and is willing to share could save us hours of time. </p>

<p>Then when we have our core list we will spend time examining each.</p>

<p>Angst, I do understand your viewpoint. Mine is that you also must go where the music is....Nashville, NYC or LA (just like my kid would have to go to NYC for a career in musical theater), but I was simply saying that for COLLEGE she does not NEED to. While in college, she likely is not going to be able to pound the pavement for work in the field. So, some might say go to the best college program for your field, then move to LA, NYC, or Nashville. OR go to those cities now and forego college and look for work. I think if you asked someone in the industry where to go to get launched in this industry, yes, they would name those cities. But they might not answer the same if you asked where should I go to college to be trained for this field. </p>

<p>College itself is pretty consuming so if someone takes the college route, then their time and energy is going to be mostly devoted to training there and performance opportunities there (plus in summers) and might not be able to be looking for work while attending. It is just one thought on that idea.</p>

<p>The schools I gave you on that list were ones that I ressearched for you as being in or very close to NYC or LA, that is how I chose them for you (based on your criteria). So, at this point, I would advise to read about their programs and go from there. If one is downtown and one is say, in Brooklyn, it is not going to make a difference in the area that you are interested (getting her career launched). But what WILL make a difference is which of the programs best suits her as a student and what she wants out of college. If you go by which is the closest to downtown or something, it might be the wrong program and she might not last. I already narrowed the list for you to ones right in or by the cities you asked, that had music programs. I'd research their websites and go from there. Narrowing it even more by location than I already did is perhaps taking out the best fits. I did not do it by state for you, but I did it by the city already. </p>

<p>Susan</p>

<p>Thanks Susan, I didnt realize that! How kind of you....</p>

<p>Is USC not on there for a reason? Perhaps not close enough or is there another reason?</p>

<p>I think someone said Suny Purchase was over an hour away..is that correct?</p>

<p>SUNY Purchase is in the northern suburbs of NYC (Westchester County, actually Town of Harrison), about 40 minutes by train from Manhattan. Less or more by car, depending on traffic and destination.</p>

<p>I wonder if the New School in Manhattan has anything for you. I have a friend whose son loves the jazz program.
Here is the link to its website. <a href="http://www.newschool.edu/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.newschool.edu/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>