ADHD extended time REJECTED

Parents Forum Learning Differences and Challenges - LD, ADHD
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<p>teskeyben,</p>

<p>It is ironic that you are complaining that I have made “assumptive, sweeping generalizations” by making an assumptive, sweeping generalization of your own.</p>

<p>What the heck are you talking about? What exactly have I said/claimed that flies against the current generally accepted psychiatric view of ADHD treatment? Please be specific.</p>

<p>You claim to be proof I’m wrong, but you’re own history actually plays to my claim that most people are diagnosed young. </p>

<p>I can only believe your comment “I put in the massive amount of effort” meant you taught yourself the subject after school. Congrats on the 98.</p>

<p>By your claims that this “effort” proves me wrong, I fear your message may be that all you did was try harder to pay attention in school. If this is what you’re saying, than you are repeating the profound disrespect some people have shown toward ADHD sufferers by implying all they have to do is “try harder.” People who truly have ADHD can’t “try harder.” That’s the whole point. No amount of trying will enable an ADHD sufferer to absorb the same amount of info from a classroom session as someone without ADHD. It’s like saying someone with paralyzed legs should just try harder to walk. Or a deaf person should just try harder to hear. It’s not going to happen.</p>

<p>And if it DOES happen… if trying harder actually works for an ADHD patient… than they were probably were just lazy and didn’t have ADHD in the first place. </p>

<p>I never said meds were a silver bullet… “dude.” The OP wasn’t even trying meds. As someone with ADD who profoundly benefits from meds, I find that a near-ridiculous choice and implored them to try meds.</p>

<p>And Adderall is not nearly the only drug one can use to treat ADHD. Most patients know there are many options which offer similar benefits, but subtly different side effects. You have to find the one for you. Perhaps you don’t know this because it sounds like you were never properly treated.</p>

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<p>SlitheyTove,</p>

<p>I’m not going to claim that all teachers in all schools are trained for early detection, but since nearly half of all initial referrals regarding ADHD come from teachers, I’d hazard a guess that more teachers are not only trained, but actively screen their students, than not.</p>

<p>The thing about ADHD is teachers almost don’t need training. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a big advocate of training, but teachers see so many children perform in their class that a child with ADHD often sticks out like a sore thumb. It’s like that Sesame song “One of these things is not like the others.” The severity of the ADHD will make a child stick out more or less, but they will stick out.</p>

<p>That, of course, assumes a good learning/classroom environment. It’s another story completely if the learning environment is under distress, like many inner city schools are.</p>

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<p>First you defend that you have no idea what I’m talking about. Then you respond to several different positions, when I only brought forth two.</p>

<p>Dude, if you don’t understand something, clarify it with the person. Don’t go on an unintelligible tangent that hardly represents the other person’s position. With that being said, I’ll gladly provide quotations to support both my previous post and my current one.</p>

<p>"The “evaluation” is easily spoofed. There is no telltale medical test for it. If you’d like to be diagnosed with ADD, just look up the symptoms and remember them long enough to parrot them back to a physician… and seem sincere when you say them. That’s it. </p>

<p>And that’s why this is so abused by High School kids (and their parents). I don’t have to tell this audience about the pressures to get good results on ACT and SAT tests. The lure of getting more time on these timed tests is a deal too good to pass up."</p>

<p>Yet you claim that you can tell whether somebody is probably lieing by looking at their grades. That’s a demonstration of an attempt of providing a superior point over all psychiatrists, which supports what I said here: “yet you willfully will purport that the vast majority of psychiatrists have it wrong.”</p>

<p>How am I a proof that you are wrong? You claimed that nobody could simply find ways to cope. That happened, and I was among the many who were diagnosed early. I was diagnosed for having a lot of ADHD, and I continue to show symptoms for it. That blows a massive hole in the story that you have presented here:</p>

<p>"“Found ways to cope” What?!?! You can not be serious! Sorry, but you guys have no clue. No one “copes” with ADD/ADHD, unless they have a very mild case."</p>

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<p>"I never said meds were a silver bullet. "</p>

<p>I agree. You certainly defend that they were for mild adhd, which was my entire point. I never said anything about meds in general, just for those with mild adhd. </p>

<p>Here’s the bit that I’m referencing:</p>

<p>“Seriously… meds are a game changer. With a mild case, you’ll probably be completely “normal”. If a fat person could take a pill, with no significant side effects, and be thin and healthy, everyone would say “take the pill.” It’s the same here.”</p>

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<p>"And if it DOES happen… if trying harder actually works for an ADHD patient… than they were probably were just lazy and didn’t have ADHD in the first place. "</p>

<p>It certainly worked for me. So you’re saying that I was probably just lazy? Even with your weasel words like “probably”, your position is still very weak.</p>

<p>“I can only believe your comment “I put in the massive amount of effort” meant you taught yourself the subject after school.”</p>

<p>But I thought I fell under the blanket statement that “they were probably were just lazy and didn’t have ADHD in the first place.”</p>

<p>“And Adderall is not nearly the only drug one can use to treat ADHD.”</p>

<p>Oh my gosh, really? I can’t believe it. I’ve been fooled for all of these years…</p>

<p>"By your claims that this “effort” proves me wrong, I fear your message may be that all you did was try harder to pay attention in school. If this is what you’re saying, than you are repeating the profound disrespect some people have shown toward ADHD sufferers by implying all they have to do is “try harder.” </p>

<p>So…</p>

<p>Saying that you were successful with increasing personal effort --/–> disrespectfully implying that people with ADHD need to try harder</p>

<p>That in itself is non-sequitar. And it makes even less sense when you consider that I was accomodated by a 504 plan.</p>

<p>Also, I fear that turtles will evolve into dragons and kill all of us, as they have very scaly skin. </p>

<p>" People who truly have ADHD can’t “try harder.” That’s the whole point. No amount of trying will enable an ADHD sufferer to absorb the same amount of info from a classroom session as someone without ADHD. It’s like saying someone with paralyzed legs should just try harder to walk. Or a deaf person should just try harder to hear. It’s not going to happen."</p>

<p>Oh, but I don’t fall under these blanket statements? Why not?</p>

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<p>teskeyben,</p>

<p>Just as I thought. :-/ You’re essentially saying anyone with ADHD just needs to “try harder.” [sigh] </p>

<p>If you were lazy… yeah… trying harder will overcome that mental “handicap.” But if one has ADHD, there is no trying harder. It is a medical condition that significantly impedes one’s ability to concentrate on a task or an event unfolding in front of them. They are constantly shifting focus. It’s not something that can be helped. </p>

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Really? Was that actually your diagnosis? Your doctor said “Boy-O-Boy! You certainly have ‘a lot’ of ADHD!” You make me laugh.</p>

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Because you are so superior to everyone else afflicted with this handicap. Your ability to just “try harder” than everyone else is second to none. If you were paralyzed, I’m certain you would “try harder” and be able to walk. Heck, you’d run! If you were deaf, you’d “try harder” and hear every note of a symphony.</p>

<p>You are truly an amazing person and I feel honored… no, blessed, truly blessed… just to have this exchange with you.</p>

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<p>“Just as I thought. :-/ You’re essentially saying anyone with ADHD just needs to “try harder.””</p>

<p>I just said that any thought that I am claiming this is non-sequitur (doesn’t follow). The vast majority of what you are claiming here is founded upon this misrepresentation.</p>

<p>“Because you are so superior to everyone else afflicted with this handicap”</p>

<p>You are truly an amazing person and I feel honored… no, blessed, truly blessed… just to have this exchange with you."</p>

<p>Personal attacks? Really?? /done</p>