<p>The new common data set is out. Compared to the previous year, SAT scores were up by 30 points, GPA was up by .05 and the admission rate was down by 16 percentage points. It’s getting tougher to get in, but I am not sure if it warranted the admissions fiasco last year. By the way, Cal Poly Pomona has for the first time surpassed UCR in SAT scores!! </p>
<p>Also, Cal Poly Pomona might even surpass UCR’s endowment after they complete their $150 million capital campaign. For a non-doctoral university that’s an amazing endowment.</p>
<p>i understand how u love pomona but damn u seem really desperate about researching all those datas and showing how CPP should be better than UCR … now go study and stop posting those because both schools aren’t that great anyways LOL</p>
<p>Mhhh, everyone is on Holiday/Christmas/Kwanzaa/Hanukkah break so no need to study at the moment XD.</p>
<p>If you are referring to petrarch, he/she attends or attended Cal Poly Pomona’s architecture department which has admission rate of 18%, so he/she can compare his/her department (not to UCR) but to Carnegie Mellon, USC, Cooper Union, or Notre Dame.</p>
<p>haha then he is comparing the wrong school because UCR doesn’t even offer architecture. Cal Poly Pomona’s architecture program is 15th - 17th in the nation. Not even comparable to Cal Poly SLO, USC, or Cooper Union…</p>
<p>“Among the 20 top-rated B.Arch. programs this year, nine improved their position in the rankings: Rice University, Southern California Institute of Architecture, Carnegie Mellon University, Pratt Institute, the University of Southern California, the University of Kansas, Cooper Union, the University of Notre Dame, and California State Polytechnic University, Pomona.”</p>
<p>Now, it seems that the article is actually doing so.</p>
<p>What petrarch is probably arguing is that for a non-research university like Cal Poly Pomona, surpassing (even slightly) a research-intensive university like UCR in average undergraduate GPA and SATs, is actually a quite memorable achievement. Particularly because the two universities are in such a close proximity and compete for some of the same undergraduate students. Of course UCR will have the upper-hand on graduate studies since they offer over 40 PhD-granting programs, but give Cal Poly Pomona’s and UCR’s own forward trend this is not only good for both universities but for the region they serve. A rivalry (in the good-spirited way) between the two might even be a good thing for the Inland Empire.</p>
<p>Well, Cal Poly Pomona “improved” to become ranked 15th (as I stated above). But also keep in mind that Not a lot of schools offer architecture program (Only 141 schools in the nation) so being in top 10 architecture is considered the best. Cal Poly Pomona has great architecture program, but not as good as those best schools. It’s like comparing great public schools like UCSD to massively funded schools like Harvard, Yale, and Dartmouth (best schools).</p>
<p>anyways, you mentioned “Also, Cal Poly Pomona might even surpass UCR’s endowment after they complete their $150 million capital campaign. For a non-doctoral university that’s an amazing endowment.” </p>
<p>Sorry to burst your bubble, but if you truly believe that Cal Poly Pomona will certainly surpass UCR’s endowment after they complete their $150 million capital campaign, then that is laughable because UCR is a research school like other UC schools. So the school gets funded in addition to their research, resources and researching faculty members every year. That’s why UC tuition is much more expensive than CSU tuition. That said, do not compare with even the lowest level UC school. (Cal Poly Pomona endowment 25 million; UC Riverside endowment 121 million. UCSB is like 190 million.) That’s why the UC system has the most resources and stellar faculty. Have you researched all the other schools besides Cal Poly Pomona? Well, I’ve researched a lot of schools including CPP (I like doing research, hearing from friends from cal poly pomona, UCI, etc… about schools) I know that for the first time, Cal Poly Pomona has launched a comprehensive fundraising campaign, which strives to raise $150 million over five years to strengthen its ability to provide hands-on learning opportunities, to prepare students for the changing demands of workplace, to increase research and scholarship opportunities, and to ensure that a quality college education is within reach for underrepresented communities. this is only a plan. It doesn’t mean it’s going to be successful for sure. UCR has already achieved research and scholarship opportunities as well as ensuring the quality of college education.</p>
<p>if you have researched UCR, the campus does not only get $1 billion endowment annually but they have already achieved the 2 years $50 Million Fundraising Goal in 2004, they will build a medical school in 2012 with $10 million as a result of the Budget Act of 2010 and they will complete their materials science and engineering building as a result of $53 million by 2011.</p>
<p>By the way, Pomona is not in an Inland Empire.</p>
<p>I think we need to chill out a bit here. This thread started by mentioning one innocuous statistic, and not a claim that one school was better than the other. The significance is that Cal Poly Pomona has had to comply until recently with substandard CSU imposed admissions thresholds compared to UCs. For example, until a few years ago, a person with a B average and a 400 on the SAT was guaranteed a spot. After decades of being easier to get into than all UCs, some CSUs (except SLO) have only recently started to apply their own standards to become as attractive and as demanding as lower level UCs like Riverside. I think that it’s a significant milestone for CPP considering that it only took two years of ramped up admissions standards to catch up to UCR (in just one regard). </p>
<p>Also, the fact that a regional public university can have a top 20 program (even among 140+ schools) in a popular field such as architecture, is very significant considering it beat out the flagship research unis of most states and many well known privates. </p>
<p>BTW, I’d rather be accused of using too many statistics than none at all.</p>
<p>“By the way, Cal Poly Pomona has for the first time surpassed UCR in SAT scores!!”</p>
<p>“I think we need to chill out a bit here. This thread started by mentioning one innocuous statistic, and not a claim that one school was better than the other.”</p>
<p>“I think that it’s a significant milestone for CPP considering that it only took two years of ramped up admissions standards to catch up to UCR (in just one regard).”</p>
<p>So in the end, you actually wanted to claim that CPP is better than UCR based on admissions standards… how innocuous indeed lol</p>
<p>anyways, in the end, it’s really not gonna matter whether one school is better than another at a certain program. It’s all about individual’s performance. Graduates get a certain kind of job/salary because of a whole host of attributes. Attributes such as level of mastery of their field of studies, GPA, communication skills, maturity, and resourcefulness in job seeking, to name a few. The prestige of a school and its program is the last factor of the resume that employers view. If you attend CPP for architecture but barely graduate with a 2.0 GPA, I am pretty certain your job opportunities will narrow down and the jobs that you want will be handed to a 3.0 GPA students who attended a not-so-good school for architecture. Worse yet, if you don’t graduate then you got a even bigger problem (students failing to graduate is very common). That’s why I said go study and stop posting those useless stats.</p>
<p>Seriously, you need to chill out! How are higher SAT scores a claim that one school is overall better than the other? That claim was never made. As I mentioned, this is just “one regard”. It is your interpretation that I “wanted to claim CPP is better than UCR”. You’re entitled to that, but don’t twist your opinion into a fact. Instead of getting all postal on us and calling us desperate and laughable, maybe it’s you that should go study and stop posting useless rants.</p>
<p>k, fine. I’m so sorry if I misunderstood what this thread is all about. I guess I misunderstood what you are really trying to say because I remember all of your posts were about school rankings and comparing schools based on SAT scores and admission standards.</p>
<p>Anyways, don’t tell me to chill out. You are the one who sound so offended. And I’m studying my ass off right now. I know I need to study more. But at least I don’t always post threads/comments about schools rankings and comparing schools. If you think you’re true CPP architect, then you would stop caring about school rankings and start making threads about self-assessment as an architect. If you think college is all about ranking, then you would be pathetic. (Not saying you are pathetic because I said “if”)</p>
<p>Seriously, who cares about SAT scores and admission standards if you are already in college? Even if CPP surpassed UCR in SAT scores and admission standards, CPP will still remain as a Cal state, and UCR will still remain as a UC school. nuff said.</p>
<p>I think this thread does nothing but creates tension between CPP and UCR students. And to be honest, CPP is gonna be a better school all of a sudden just because their admission rate and their SAT scores improved. Nothing is going to change. Illinois and Purdue have such high admission rate but they are still top 50 schools in the nation. And there’s a reason why their admission rate is so high. So in my opinion… CPP will still remain as a Cal State school with great architecture and engineering program.</p>
<p>if you are talking about luring better students and alumni give back, you might wanna look at this…
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<p>Anyways, if you are really concerned about one school being superior to another school, then you might be better off going to harvard. Also, I wouldn’t talk smack before I even get accepted anywhere.</p>
<p>Mind your patronizing tone. I might have not yet been accepted to Cal Poly Pomona, yet; but I have a transfer agreement with UC Davis. I’m looking at two CSUs (SLO and Pomona) for the prize. </p>
<p>UCR, I didn’t even bother applying there. So there you go, that’s how much I regard that campus, it’s not even worth the application fee.</p>