<p>Got into Berkeley but aid package that was offered has left a huge aid gap (about 10K). We are out of state. </p>
<p>We did get the comment that OOS packages from CA schools were poor, but I didn't expect this big of a gap from a top 20 school. </p>
<p>Any comments welcome. Getting in was a big win for him but I dont see how we could do this. </p>
<p>Top 20 has nothing to do with it… It’s a CA public school…Supported by CA taxpayers, they come first where FA is concerned… Congrats on the admit, I hope you can work it out…</p>
<p>Actually you got a very generous FA package from CA.</p>
<p>I am a CA resident but I have to pay full price if my kids go to UCB.</p>
<p>I didn’t know the UCs offer any need-base aid to OOS beyond the Federal grant/aid. I thought the principal premise of accepting OOS is to have them pay full OOS COA to help with the budget gap.</p>
<p>To OP: I hope you can work it out.</p>
<p>$10K out of pocket per year? Or is this in addition to your EFC and max student loans and parent loans?</p>
<p>The OP said gap. I would speculate the efc was high in the first place to only have a $10k gap as word here on CC is that UCs generally won’t do anything to dent the OOS premium.</p>
<p>Son got into UCLA and the only thing they offered was the typical subsidized/unsubsidized loans and PLUS loan… we are OOS also. </p>
<p>Details: </p>
<p>Berkley COA $55,000.00 </p>
<p>AID:<br>
Middle Class Action Plan $5,500.00
Work study $4,000.00
Federal Loans $7,000.00 </p>
<p>EFC $28,000.00 </p>
<p>Total above $44,500.00
GAP $(10,500.00)</p>
<p>Your post made me curious about what kind of financial aid package we would get now that we live out of state. I found it surprising that Berkeley offers any grant aid whatsoever to OOS students. I ran the Net Price and played around with the numbers. Looks like Berkeley will award grants worth over $20K even to OOS depending on income. Once income gets above $50K, then the grant amount starts to decrease, and at $70K income, grant drops to $14K, and at $100K income, grant aid is only $9200, but by that point the Middle Class Action Plan has kicked in (at incomes of $80-100K) and the EFC is capped at 15% of income. Of course, that MCAP does nothing to increase the amount of grant aid, or access to subsidized loans. But it is a nice gesture, I guess. Nothing touches the OOS tuition differential of $22878 a year.</p>
<p>I am just surprised that OOS students get any grant money at all. Sure, OOS students have to pay that extra $22878, but who’s paying to fund those grants?</p>
<p>Congratulations to your son, though. I just hope that paying $45K+ a year at Berkeley is worth it. I have a hard time stomaching it, because, when I was looking at Berkeley myself in 1986-87, I expected to pay about $1400 in-state had I gone to a UC - 14 hundred bucks a year. Amazing. I cannot get my head around paying what the Net Price Calculator says I would need to pay for my kids to move back to California to go to a UC: nearly $50K a year. Ouch.</p>
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<p>OOS packages follow state law. The UCs don’t meet full need for instaters, and the last thing that the state tax payers want to do is provide better need for OOS’ers. UC is clear in that it will not provide financial aid to cover the OOS portion of the tuition/fees.</p>
<p>Comment: UC’s are not a good deal for OOS. (The only reason that they accept a larger portion of oos’ers is to collect more money…)</p>
<p>the UCs are crazy to give that much to OOS students unless its purely merit for high stats. </p>
<p>There probably aren’t many OOS students actually receiving that grant aid at UCs. If family income is in the range to be eligible for grant aid (which is only offered up to in-state prices), the family would likely not be able to come up with the EFC plus the $23,000 OOS supplement. UCs are generally only affordable for full pay OOS families. </p>
<p>^^^</p>
<p>This is true and not true. Since a UC is FAFSA only, it doesn’t get a clear pic of a family’s ability to pay. An OOS student could have an affluent NCP paying while still qualifying for aid because of CP. </p>
<p>The UCs should at least require CSS Profile and NCP info for OOS students. The thought of some OOS student with a low EFC getting UC grants while there is an affluent NCP or family business that doesn’t get adequately counted is just crazy.</p>
<p>My son’s best friend got a $5K merit award from UCLA a few years ago which surprised many of us. I know some top flight kids who were accepted to the most selective of schools who did not even get accepted to Berkeley and LA, much less get any merit. </p>
<p>Congrats to OP kids for the accept. But if the money doesn’t work out, it’s not an option. </p>
<p>More OOS students were accepted to UC system schools this year than ever before. Reason: the UC system wants the higher tuition dollars these students would bring. Lots of qualified in-state kids were denied admission, kids who would have been accepted in the past, all so that students who pay more to attend (OOS) could be brought in. </p>
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<p>Depends on what you define as “meet full need”. For in-state students, UC net price will typically be FAFSA<em>EFC + ESC. “Meet full need” schools’ net price will be SCHOOL</em>EFC + ESC. It is true that UC ESC is on the high side (usually about $9,000; for comparison, Harvard’s is $4,600, Stanford’s is $5,000, Virginia’s is $7,000), but using FAFSA_EFC instead an EFC based on CSS/Profile is often more favorable to the student.</p>
<p>In any case, out-of-state net price at UC adds about $23,000 (the additional out-of-state tuition) to the in-state net price. Effectively, this means that the minimum net price for out-of-state students is about $32,000.</p>