Admit Rates -- Class of 2016 (official)

College Search & Selection
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<p>Amazing how much admit rate resembles price activity in the stock market. Prices go up and down, companies are overvalued and undervalued, all based on perceived value that may or may not comport with reality.</p>

<p>Think about it. 10 years ago, Yahoo was the smart buy. Apple was not on a lot of stock buyers’ shopping lists. Today? Yahoo is laying off employees in an effort to boost earnings, and Apple owns it all.</p>

<p>It would be one thing if far-reaching changes in personnel or corporate strategy were responsible for the market’s reassessment of value. But both companies are (or, at least, until recently, were) pretty much the same companies they were 10 years ago. People just value them differently now.</p>

<p>About 10 years ago, I “bought” into a university (UChicago) when its “stock price” (as reflected by its admit rate) was quite low. In fact, by almost any objective measure, it was ludicrously undervalued. Today, UChicago’s admit rate brings it closer to “fair value”–while leaving it still undervalued, I believe, with respect to its peer group. But undervalued, overvalued, fairly valued–the UChicago now attracting so many desperate applicants is exactly the same UChicago that was pretty easy to get into when I applied.</p>

<p>So what’s my point? Ignore admit rates. Put them out of thought. Do not make the mistake of correlating a high (or low) admit rate with high or low quality or even prestige–especially prestige, which can change in a blink. </p>

<p>When I was applying to colleges, Duke was THE hot school. Which is why I applied to Duke. So when I was accepted by Duke and then decided to attend Chicago, people thought I was nuts. Ten years later, Duke is still pretty hot, but not as incandescent as it was. UChicago, meanwhile, has gone supernova. If I were in high school today choosing UChicago over Duke, no one would think I was nuts. Someone or other might disagree with the choice, but no one would find it inexplicable as some did back in the day. </p>

<p>So what has changed? Is UChicago better than it was? Has Duke slipped? No and no. Both institutions are virtually unchanged. All that’s changed–and continues to change–is the market’s perception of their relative value. </p>

<p>Bottom line: Markets assign value based on the crowd’s perception of value and crowds are often wrong before getting it right. So ignore the crowd. Think for yourself. When and if the crowd starts to see it as you do, you won’t care anyway.</p>

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<p>In one of his recent interviews, Northwestern President Morton Schapiro mentioned that some schools count those incomplete applications. He didn’t define what “incomplete” means. But I have heard some schools count even mere inquiries or request for application package as part of the total counts.</p>

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Especially when “the crowd” is made up entirely of high school seniors. How many of us older, grayer, and–hopefully–wiser types still see things the way we did in high school? :rolleyes:</p>

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<p>Older, yes, grayer, maybe, but wiser?</p>

<p>A lot of folks went short Apple after Steve Jobs died. Pretty sure they weren’t in high school…</p>

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<p>^ Good point. ;)</p>

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<p>5.9%–Harvard
6.6----Stanford
6.8----Yale
7.4----Columbia
7.86—Princeton
8.9----MIT
9.4----Dartmouth
9.6----Brown
11.9—Amherst
11.9—Duke
12.0—Vanderbilt
12.3—UPenn
12.4—Claremont McKenna
12.8—Pomona
13.2—UChicago
15.3—Northwestern
15.4—WUSTL
15.7—Pitzer
16.1—Bowdoin
16.2—Cornell
16.5—Georgetown
16.7—Williams
17.4—Olin
17.7—Johns Hopkins
18.2—USC
18-----Washington and Lee
18.7— UCLA (Estimated)
19.6—UC Berkeley
19.7—Wesleyan
21.0—Barnard
21.2—Tufts
25-----Bates
25.7—University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
27.1—Hamilton
27.4—University of Virginia
29.0—Babson
29-----Colby
30-----University of Richmond
32.7—George Washington
34-----University of Rochester
34.7—Macalester
35-----NYU
39-----Occidental
41-----University of Florida
45.5—Boston University
51-----Elon</p>

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<p>Adding University of Notre Dame
Source: [ND</a> admits students - News - Notre Dame - The Observer - University of Notre Dame and Saint Mary’s College](<a href=“http://www.ndsmcobserver.com/news/nd-admits-students-1.2836774#]ND”>http://www.ndsmcobserver.com/news/nd-admits-students-1.2836774#)</p>

<p>5.9%–Harvard
6.6----Stanford
6.8----Yale
7.4----Columbia
7.86—Princeton
8.9----MIT
9.4----Dartmouth
9.6----Brown
11.9—Amherst
11.9—Duke
12.0—Vanderbilt
12.3—UPenn
12.4—Claremont McKenna
12.8—Pomona
13.2—UChicago
15.3—Northwestern
15.4—WUSTL
15.7—Pitzer
16.1—Bowdoin
16.2—Cornell
16.5—Georgetown
16.7—Williams
17.4—Olin
17.7—Johns Hopkins
18.2—USC
18-----Washington and Lee
18.7— UCLA (Estimated)
19.6—UC Berkeley
19.7—Wesleyan
21.0—Barnard
21.2—Tufts
22.7 --University of Notre Dame
25-----Bates
25.7—University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
27.1—Hamilton
27.4—University of Virginia
29.0—Babson
29-----Colby
30-----University of Richmond
32.7—George Washington
34-----University of Rochester
34.7—Macalester
35-----NYU
39-----Occidental
41-----University of Florida
45.5—Boston University
51-----Elon</p>

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<p>Give yourself another 10 years, and see how you or others will feel. It is sometimes extremely dangerous to against markets. If you really want to test yourself, trade those margin based commodity futures or other derivatives, you will see that you are always right till you are wrong. Don’t be a hero in these cyclic brown-noise-like markets.</p>

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<p>Ewho, not sure what you’re trying to say here but, fwiw…</p>

<p>Ten years from now my choice of undergraduate institution will be of even less consequence to me than it is today–in other words, asymptotically approaching zero. Now, this may just be a reflection of my own experience. But it’s hard to imagine that the fetishistic “inter-market analysis” of undergrad admit rates yields useful, actionable information for anybody.</p>

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<p>How did UChicago and NorthWestern plummet?..</p>

<p>Also, are UCB and UCLA skewed from a lot of “fling” applications from unqualified students? Those rates are pretty low for them.</p>

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<p>22.5% of applicants were admitted to Vassar College, from the Admitted Students’ website.</p>

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<p>From the Tulane admissions blog: “We had roughly 30,000 students apply to Tulane this year, and admitted around 25% of them. We plan on having a freshman class of around 1,500 students.”</p>

<p>5.9%–Harvard
6.6----Stanford
6.8----Yale
7.4----Columbia
7.86—Princeton
8.9----MIT
9.4----Dartmouth
9.6----Brown
11.9—Amherst
11.9—Duke
12.0—Vanderbilt
12.3—UPenn
12.4—Claremont McKenna
12.8—Pomona
13.2—UChicago
15.3—Northwestern
15.4—WUSTL
15.7—Pitzer
16.1—Bowdoin
16.2—Cornell
16.5—Georgetown
16.7—Williams
17.4—Olin
17.7—Johns Hopkins
18.2—USC
18-----Washington and Lee
19.6—UC Berkeley
19.7—Wesleyan
21.0—Barnard
21.2—Tufts
22.5—Vassar
22.7—University of Notre Dame
25 ----Tulane
25-----Bates
25.7—University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
27.1—Hamilton
27.4—University of Virginia
29.0—Babson
29-----Colby
30-----University of Richmond
32.7—George Washington
34-----University of Rochester
34.7—Macalester
35-----NYU
39-----Occidental
41-----University of Florida
45.5—Boston University
51-----Elon
62-----UMass, Amherst</p>

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<p>@sureblah Why did you remove UCLA?</p>

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<p>Any word about Emory, preferably ex-Oxford?
Do we ever get out of state numbers for UC’s, UVA. etc?</p>

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<p>5.9%–Harvard
6.6----Stanford
6.8----Yale
7.4----Columbia
7.86—Princeton
8.9----MIT
9.4----Dartmouth
9.6----Brown
11.9—Duke
12.0—Vanderbilt
12.3—UPenn
12.4—Claremont McKenna
12.8—Pomona
15.3—Northwestern
15.4—WUSTL
15.7—Pitzer
16.1—Bowdoin
16.2—Cornell
16.5—Georgetown
16.7—Williams
17.4—Olin
17.5—UCLA (Official) {15600 admitted/waitlisted-2900 waitlisted} = 12726 admits/72626 applicants. [The</a> Daily Bruin :: UCLA wait-lists 2,900 for first time in school?s history](<a href=“http://www.dailybruin.com/index.php/article/2012/04/ucla_waitlists_2900_for_first_time_in_schools_history]The”>http://www.dailybruin.com/index.php/article/2012/04/ucla_waitlists_2900_for_first_time_in_schools_history)
17.7—Johns Hopkins
18-----USC
18-----Washington and Lee
19.6—UC Berkeley
19.7—Wesleyan
21.0—Barnard
21.2—Tufts
25-----Bates
25.7—University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
27.1—Hamilton
27.4—University of Virginia
29.0—Babson
29-----Colby
30-----University of Richmond
32.7—George Washington
34-----University of Rochester
34.7—Macalester
35-----NYU
39-----Occidental
41-----University of Florida
45.5—Boston University
51-----Elon</p>

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<p>^ UCLA has a 21.5%.</p>

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<p>^ I think he/she is inferring it based on the statistic that UCLA supposedly denied 57,000 applicants.</p>

<p>I’m curious as to why the UCs saw such a huge jump in applications this year - are they just recruiting more heavily out-of-state? Both UCLA and Berkeley had jumps of 10,000+ applicants. It’s easy to apply by checking off another campus and paying the fee, but it’s still an odd jump.</p>

<p>I wonder how many applicants they’d have if it was actually difficult to apply (i.e. recommendations, more essays, SAT IIs, an interview, etc.).</p>

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<p>^^^ This is the first year no SAT subject tests were required for UC. HS counselors probably encouraged everyone to apply.</p>

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<p>ewho- 21.5 percent admits and waitlisted people for UCLA</p>

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<p>Yes Phantasmagoric, the increase in apps is mainly attributable to the increase in non-residents, Int’l as well as OOS students. The in-state students probably increased as well, but probably just a couple thousand. I don’t have the numbers in front of me, nor do I have a link – too lazy – so I could be dead wrong since I didn’t purposely try to place things into long-term memory and rather just glanced at the numbers.</p>

<p>I think also, there was probably an accompanying graphic which showed the numbers to which he/she referrenced, but does not show on the online version. Daily Bruin does this all the time.</p>