Advice for a student applying to Kelley?

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<p>Hello, I have recently been accepted to Indiana Bloomington and will be attending next year. I am interested in applying for Kelley at the end of freshman year as I have not been accepted as a direct admit (which is ok). I have been hearing horror stories about some of the courses at Kelley that are basically designed to weed out the people who aren't serious about what they are doing. Do you have any advice for class scheduling to make life easier and make my odds better? In High school I didn't have to try very hard but now I want to be serious as the field I am trying to enter is very competitive.</p>

<p>Also I am taking two courses this summer with the intent of transferring the credits in to make the chances of me getting into Kelley much better.</p>

<p>What two classes should I take?
Finite and Econ?
Econ and Calc?
Finite and Calc?
Accounting? </p>

<p>Let me know and I will be very thankful</p>

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<p>You have to take four courses from this list:
[Future</a> IU Freshmen: Admissions: Undergraduate Program: Kelley School of Business: Indiana University Bloomington](<a href=“Undergraduate | Bachelor's Degree in Business | Indiana Kelley”>Undergraduate | Bachelor's Degree in Business | Indiana Kelley)</p>

<pre><code>Complete one course on the IU Bloomington campus from each of the following areas:
Business Analysis (BUS-A 201, BUS-A 202, BUS-L 201, ECON-E 201, ECON-E 202, BUS-K 201, or BUS-X 201)
Mathematics (MATH-M 118*, MATH-M 119* or ECON-E 370*)
Communication (BUS-C 104, BUS-C 204 or ENG-W 131*)
Complete one additional course on the IU Bloomington campus in any of the areas above, for a total of four Kelley admissions courses.
</code></pre>

<p>The courses on the list that are by far the easiest grading are these:</p>

<p>BUS K201 – group 1
ECON E370 – group 2
BUS C104 – group 3
BUS C204 – group 3</p>

<p>I would take those four (K201 and C104 first semester; E370 and C204 second semester) and a bunch of easy courses to reach 12 credits each semester.</p>

<p>In order to take these courses, you would need to take finite, calculus******, and ENG W131 before arriving at IU. Take them in the summer at a cc if they are offered and get at least B’s in all of them. Should not be difficult to do nine credits in the summer, if you really want to get into Kelley via the easiest path and with the least amount of risk. You need no grades lower than solid “B” to guarantee your admission. These three courses in cc during the summer and the 24 in two semesters at IUB will give you 33 credits when you apply to Kelley.</p>

<p>Don’t take finite, calculus, and ENG W131 at IUB because the solid B and higher grade rates are extremely poor. Roughly,</p>

<p>W131 - about 45-55% (usually taught by graduate students, and some of them are ridiculously hard graders; so, stay away from it if you can)
finite - about 30-35%
calculus****** - about 25-30%</p>

<p>Compare those three classes with the ones I recommended to take at IUB, as classes where percentage of students get solid B or higher:</p>

<p>BUS K201 - 40-45%
ECON E370 - 50-60%
BUS C104 - more than 80%
BUS C204 - more than 80%</p>

<p>Don’t take A201, A202, or microeconomics or macroeconomics until after you get into Kelley. Micro and macro grade hard at IUB; A201 and A202 require taking A100 first. Get your guaranteed acceptance (all solid B’s and higher for all classes) before you tackle the tough grading classes your sophomore year and/or take more of them at a cc your sophomore summer and transfer the credit to IUB.</p>

<p>******Also, you don’t have to take calculus M119 to qualify to take E370. But it would help to take it. So, in the summer before going to IUB, you could take just W131 and finite M118. Take E370 freshman year, and take calculus after getting accepted to Kelley.</p>

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<p>Having just finished my first semester, during which I took several of the classes in question, I will say this. Taking any of those over the summer will certainly make your life easier trying to get into Kelley (though getting at least a B in most of these classes (I can’t speak for calc at IU as I won’t be taking it) is fairly easy with some work), but if you do take an easier version of the class elsewhere, it could hurt you later in Kelley (after all, the prereqs are there to prep you for later in Kelley, and summer classes elsewhere could be quite different). That being said, all of these classes are typically considered “hard”, so if you do want to get some out of the way in advance, maybe take a couple that you, personally, think you may be weaker in overall so you can focus solely on them over the summer. If you have any more specific questions about any of the classes or Kelley, feel free to ask as, like I said, I just finished all of the above except calc.</p>

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<p>Yeah, I’m a DA that just finished my first semester at Kelley and my only recommendation…DO NOT TAKE A100 IF YOU ARENT AN ACCOUNTING GENIUS. During a study session for the final, people were talking about what schools they were going to transfer to if they didnt get into Kelley.
And if you have taken Accounting in high school, don’t think you’re a genius in it. I know people with years of accounting experience who are either REALLY GOOD or REALLY BAD, it depends on what your school taught you, so I would wait it out.
And instead of W131 you can take W170 which is sooooo much fun. I took it and got a B+. Our class focused on Game Theory in real life and we watched a whole season of Survivor and wrote an essay on The Hunger Games. Another class focuses on Blood and reads Dracula and watches Dexter. It’s a really dynamic class that you should check out.</p>

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<p>I don’t think it matters that much where you take the finite, calculus, micro and macro. My son was a direct admit and took finite, micro and macro, and business law at Ivy Tech, where they were really easy, and W131 at his high school (also easy). He took finite at IUB and had to drop after the first test. If he hadn’t been a direct admit at the time, the “W” in finite would probably have kept him from being admitted to Kelley. He just graduated Saturday with high distinction in accounting and finance; so, in his case, finite at IU was a poor predictor of how he would do in Kelley, and micro and macro at Ivy Tech had no negative effect on future performance either. When you take these classes at IUB as a non-direct admit, one poor performance on one test can literally keep you out of Kelley and change the course of your whole life! Minimize the risk as much as you can.</p>

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<p>Do what bthomp1 said to do and take K201, E370, C104, and C204 your freshman year after taking at least finite, W131, and calc over the summer. </p>

<p>One of the things that I think make calc and finite tricky at IU is that so much of your grade depends on a few exam questions with no partial credit. You don’t want to lose your entire Kelley experience because you wrote down the wrong letter on an 8:00 AM Saturday finite midterm.</p>

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<p>Hey, this is the greatest thing ever, I really appreciate this and will be following your advice.
So during the summer before Kelley I should take

  1. Finite
  2. W131
    During the school year the classes I will take are
    1.K201 and
    2.C104
  3. Other Gen ed course
  4. Other Gen ed course
    Second Semester
    1.E370
    2.and C204
  5. Other Gen ed course
    4.Other Gen ed course
    Where does A100 fit in here I have heard it is really hard in the comments? Is it ok if I take four courses? My dad is ridiculously set on me doing this. I guess it is good advice but I’m not sure it’s practical. Nothing I can do seems to convince him otherwise.</p>

<p>I will take Calculus and A100 if that is something I can do over the summer, also micro or macro as wellover the summer after freshman year to eliminate risk there. </p>

<p>Let me know</p>

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<p>You don’t have to take A100 freshman year if you really don’t want to, but you probably won’t be able to transfer it in (you may be able to from IUPUI if that works for you). </p>

<p>A100 has really changed a lot though since Vivian Winston began teaching it and 49% of students have gotten at least a B over the past three main semesters. I’d recommend mapping out your first four semesters and summers to see how not taking A100 would affect your sophomore year. A100 can be tough, but it’s probably in the easier half of the I-core prerequisites.</p>

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<p>Unfortunately, some of the information bthomp1 provided is simply not accurate (it may have changed since his son was a freshman). Anyway, I just thought it would be helpful to point out two things. First, E370 second semester is definitely possible, but NOT with the suggested plan because E201 (Microeconomics) is required prior to taking it, so you would need to take it this summer or first semester freshman year. Second, one requirement necessary to enroll in C204 is that you must have taken two semesters prior to that class, so second semester of freshman year, it is not possible.</p>

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<p>So I can switch E201 with C104 and do c104 second semester and c204 some other time. I then can take
1.Finite
2.Calculus
3. The equivalent of W131</p>

<p>How does that work?</p>

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<p>Yeah, that would allow you to take E370 second semester and get in the 4 classes you need (E201, K201, C104, E370), but be aware that you will have to put a lot of work into E201. I’m only saying this because I know several people who took it lightly and ended up with less than a B. It isn’t particularly difficult, but you will have to put in quite a bit of work to get the grade you want.</p>

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<p>I can’t thank you enough for this advice. It’s invaluable to me.
Luckily E201 will be a lot easier for me (I expect) because I am very interested in econ. It is the one course that I have taken in my life that just absolutely made total sense to me. I got a 97 in high school (not a huge accomplishment) but I think just based on interest I will be able to pull through.</p>

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<p>E201 is a prereq for E-370 so you can’t take that, but if you take calculus over the summer, you can take STAT-K 310 which only has calculus as a prereq. </p>

<p>There really is no good reason for any Kelley student (DA or not) to take E201 freshman year. It’s nothing like high school econ, and you can always take it sophomore year or at CC. </p>

<p>The best route for any freshman trying to get into Kelley is stats, C104, and K201. That gives you three classes in which if you can’t get a B, Kelley is doing a favor by not letting you in.</p>

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<p>I don’t think I was clear enough the first or I may not be understand the reason why this schedule doesn’t work. I will take E201 first semester with c104 and other gen ed things and then e-370 second semester with k201 and the other gen ed courses</p>

<p>Keep in mind, I am taking finite, calc and w131 over the summer. Summer will probably suck but it will be worth it.</p>

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<p>O.K., it seems like you could take these three at a cc the summer prior to entering IU and then be able to take the four I recommended in the above post at IUB:</p>

<p>CC
W131 equivalent
M118 finite equivalent
E201 microeconomics equivalent </p>

<p>Then take the same four classes recommended earlier:</p>

<p>Fall
BUS C104 (there are no prerequisites for this class)
BUS K201 (there are no prerequisites for this class)</p>

<p>Spring
BUS C204 (W131 is the only prerequisite)
ECON E370 (M118 Finite and ECON E201 are the prerequisites)</p>

<p>Make sure to have your community college send your transcripts to IUB in August or as early as possible after finishing the classes to make sure your credit for W131 and M118 show up on your transcript early enough so that you can take C204 and E370. Check your Onestart account to make sure the classes show up on your transcript so that you can take C204 and E370 in the Spring semester. If they don’t show up a few weeks after ordering them, then order them again from your cc.</p>

<p>I would stay away from E201 at IUB. Last Fall, only 28.9% (532 out of 1844) students got a solid B or higher. That makes E201 one of the hardest weed out classes.</p>

<p>W131 should not be that difficult, but sometimes you get teachers who are not fair graders, and since the teachers are graduate students and change so often, you don’t have a way of predicting what you will get. Here are some examples of low, low grades in W131.</p>

<p>Number of solid B or higher:
Fall 2011
Farajo 5 out of 27
Coombs 9 out of 28
Vaughn 6 out of 24
Hanson 8 out of 23
Ha 7 out of 23
Comer 6 out of 25
Warner 4 out of 23
Borgo 6 out of 27</p>

<p>Spring 2012
Pacenza 7 of 27
Noell 4 of 27
Borgo 4 of 24
Lycurgus 4 of 25</p>

<p>You get stuck with these types of graders, and your chances of getting into Kelley would go down a lot.</p>

<p>Also, great point by Hkem. Take STAT-K 310 if you can’t get finite or E201 at your cc in the summer, but can get calculus. STAT-K 310 is actually easier than E370. He wrote that “The best route for any freshman trying to get into Kelley is stats, C104, and K201. That gives you three classes in which if you can’t get a B, Kelley is doing a favor by not letting you in.” You need four classes taken on the IUB campus to apply to Kelley, however, so I think C104 and K201 in Fall, and K201 and C204 in Spring would be best. With that plan, you would only need W131 equivalent and calculus equivalent in the summer from a cc, other university, or an IU regional campus or AP credit or Advanced College Project (if you go to high school in Indiana).</p>

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<p>They’ve actually added sophomore standing as a prerequisite for C204. With C204 not seeming to be an option, i’d say X201 or possibly W131 are the next easiest courses on the admissions list. I did not take W131, but it seems like it just comes down to the professor.</p>

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<p>Mean to say in the last paragraph above that</p>

<p>Fall
BUS C104 (there are no prerequisites for this class)
BUS K201 (there are no prerequisites for this class)</p>

<p>Spring
BUS C204 (W131 is the only prerequisite)
MATH K310 (M119 Calculus is the only prerequisite)</p>

<p>would be the best.</p>

<p>Just take W131 and M118 Calculus prior to starting at IUB to get the prerequisites out of the way.</p>

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<p>Wow, it’s almost ridiculous seeing these statistics. I hope that things get easier once the weed out courses are over with.</p>

<p>I have found a Finite course, an econ course, and an english course at a local college nearby. Two are at a cc and the other is at a large University. They are 5 minutes away.
I am not against taking stat-k 310 if possible, if it is easier why not? I’ll look into that option, however as of now it looks like I can very easily take these courses at my community college and University.</p>

<p>Thanks</p>

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<p>OK, regarding E370 and K310, I don’t know if either plan is doable, as it looks like very few freshmen can get into either of these classes, which would mean you wouldn’t be able to take the E370 or K310 during the Fall or Spring semester. You could easily get into either the first summer semester after your freshman year, but I don’t know if Kelley would accept your score that late. So I don’t think either plan would definitely work, not if you can’t be guaranteed to get the classes. Will try to come up with something later. </p>

<p>This site shows class rank for each section.
[Course</a> and Section Enrollment Statistics](<a href=“Indiana University Bloomington”>Indiana University Bloomington)
[Course</a> and Section Enrollment Statistics](<a href=“Indiana University Bloomington”>Indiana University Bloomington)
[Course</a> and Section Enrollment Statistics](<a href=“Indiana University Bloomington”>Indiana University Bloomington)</p>

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<h2>–Wow, it’s almost ridiculous seeing these statistics. I hope that things get easier once the weed out courses are over with.</h2>

<p>Once you get accepted to Kelley, you only need to get all solid C’s or higher for the I-core prerequisite classes to count toward the degree. – that is much easier than solid B. Also, you can take some of these in cc and transfer credit.</p>

<p>Also, very few people, probably less than five percent, do not pass Icore.</p>