Advice on my college list and matches/safeties?

@rickle1 NC is a bit south of what I’m hoping for, but I’ll look at the schools you mentioned. Is your son at Wake right now? If so, does he have any advice/insight about the school?

@merc81 I’ll do some research on Richmond, thanks!

@CrewDad I’ll look into the poli sci/gov schools on that list!

@waterlily77 I strongly second the University of Richmond (#23 National Liberal Arts). Strong academics, stunning campus, A10 basketball (excellent basketball league), beautiful new football stadium on campus, guaranteed interships. It’s about 10 minutes from my house and if it weren’t in our backyard, there is no doubt 2 of my 3 children would have applied. In a nutshell, the college is like a lot of the LA colleges you would find in the NE but with much better weather :). In addition to flying out of RIC, Amtrak makes travelling easy if you want to bypass I95.

Yes my S is at Wake (freshmen). He also liked Richmond a lot. What type of advice / insight are you looking for? He’s had a great experience to date: Small classes,connection with professors, close knit community, clubs, intramural sports, sporting events. 3 yr on campus requirement so there’s a great sense of community. Also, Wake is quite involved in the community. Lots of service opportunities for those that want to get involved.

I’d look at BC, Holy Cross, Colgate, Bucknell. All of these schools blend solid academics with strong D1 athletic programs and tend to feel middle of the road culturally.

OP, as Econ, Poli Sci, English, and Philosophy are four of the top pre-law majors for the highest LSAT scores. As a result, it may be helpful to look at the top Law School feeder schools as complied by College Transitions as these will likely have great Econ, Poli Sci, English, and Philosophy to see if any fit for your cheerleading goal as well.

For highest LSAT scores, [url=https://www.lsac.org/docs/default-source/data-(lsac-resources)-docs/2015-16_applicants-major.pdf]https://www.lsac.org/docs/default-source/data-(lsac-resources)-docs/2015-16_applicants-major.pdf[/url] indicates that physics, astronomy, math, classics, linguistics, nuclear engineering, and biomedical engineering majors did better on the LSAT than the four majors listed above.

The four majors listed above are four of the most common majors among law school applicants. Economics and philosophy majors did better on the LSAT than political science and English majors.

@waterlily77

University of Alabama- great $ for high stat kids like you, competitive cheer teams, but way outside of you desired locale.

University of Miami - good academics, good cheer team (although you are competing for spots on their team against TOP Gun kids) and you are in Top Gun’s backyard if you wanted to do All Star! But also way out of your desired locale.

University of North Carolina/Duke

University of Delaware - good academics, usually a decent coed cheer team, although I have not heard much about them lately.

University of Richmond/UVA - have never heard anything about a cheer team from either school, but would put you near FAME gyms for all star options.I

George Mason - definitely an big academic safety for you, is located near DC so good for internships also has good poli sci, usually fields a pretty competitive cheer team.

MIT has the strongest team in the Ivy category. Stanford and the other top UC schools have great academics, good sports and ok cheer teams and you would be near some of the top All Star gyms if you wanted to do IO5/IO6.

Honestly your academics are what is important and in your high stat range you really aren’t going to find a school that fields a competitive cheer team and at most school it is just going to be sideline cheer. On the bright side your level 5 skills make you pretty much a shoe in for most of those school teams. You could always think about starting a club team to compete!

Being a flyer is a huge plus. You should continue to work on your partner stunting, it is vital for school with coed teams.

Here are the 2017 Collegiate Nationals result if you want to match up your list (there is not much,lol)

NCA 2017 Collegiate Nationals results:
http://tv.varsity.com/article/53931-nca-nda-collegiate-nationals-coed-cheer-results#.Wiwq1npMG2d

UCA 2017 Collegiate Nationals results:
http://tv.varsity.com/result/9320-uca-uda-college-cheerleading-dance-team-national-championship-2017#.WiwrJHpMG2d

Good Luck!

(My own DD2018 is hanging up her cheer shoes after 12 years because the majority of schools she applied to have Coed teams with 1guy/1girl pairs. She is a base. I knew should have made her a flyer!)

@labegg Thank you so much for the detailed list! I’ll talk to my parents about applying to schools outside of my “ideal” location–after all, Stanford and Berkeley are still on my list.

As for your DD’18, many of my senior friends are having the same problem. Some of them are thinking about competing on All-Girl IO5/IO6 teams as well, but it’s hard in early December when they don’t know which schools they’ll get into.

@Chembiodad Am I that predictable? I was maybe thinking about law school in the future…

@ucbalumnus, thanks for providing the detailed list as there are over 100 majors listed and if there are only 7 majors that ranked higher in LSAT scores then OP will be well prepared for Law School.

@waterlily, the top feeder schools include most of the schools on list! Would add Dartmouth given to would include cheerleading focus.

@waterlily77, , the top feeder schools include most of the schools on your list! Would add Dartmouth given that would also include cheerleading focus.

There are more than seven majors with higher average LSAT scores than economics (the highest LSAT scoring major of the four that you listed). Others include chemical engineering, statistics, and Russian.

However, the caution here is that there may be selection effects as well as treatment effects in terms of the various majors and LSAT scores. For example, political science and English may attract weaker-at-LSAT students than math and philosophy, although math and philosophy students get logic practice in their majors (the LSAT has a logic puzzle section).

This is Dartmouth Cheer…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eiWW49EaZdY

This is Yale Cheer…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G3s3YoT8tbw

This is MIT Cheer…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J_ocmd_km0w

This is the kind of cheer I am talking about as competitive…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=60Qnag5sznA - U of Kentucky
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oeFQIxoJ8YU - Navarro College and Trinity Valley College
(Lots of kids pass up acceptances at schools like TAMU/Oklahoma/SMU/UT to attend these junior college just to cheer on these phenomenal teams …)

OP is a level 5 cheerleader which means she has cheer skills similar to the competitive school level. I would equate saying that Dartmouth is cheer focused to telling a kid that has been recruited to play football for an SEC school that playing ball for Ohio University or Texas State would be just as competitive. I am not sure that I would quantify Dartmouth (or any other similar "ivy/ivy-ish school as cheer focused?

@ucbalumnus, can’t disagree more with the statement that “political science and English may attract weaker-at-LSAT students that math and philosophy”; one’s major isn’t driven by aptitude for students at this level, it’s driven by their passion.

Our freshman twin DD’s are a perfect example; they both scored 35 ACT, and one is a Poli Sci major who wants to work on Capital Hill and change the world, and her identical twin is a STEM major who wants to do medical research that changes the world.

The possibility of taking the LSAT should not be a relevant factor in choosing a major. For one, although the test involves a ton of logic, I don’t believe that major actually prepares a student for the LSAT. I’m willing to go with math/philosophy attracting good-at-logic students, or perhaps not attracting bad-at-logic students, rather than those majors topping the performance list for reasons of preparation. (My personal experience, back in the day: high LSAT with no prep and I’m certain my econ major played no role.)

More importantly, in my opinion, it is best to major in whatever you’d choose if you were not to attend law school, in other words, what you like and what might form the basis of an alternative career.

^NB, the ACT and LSAT are very different tests.

Then what explains the lower average LSAT scores of political science and English majors compared to math and philosophy majors?

One anecdotal example does not necessarily represent the overall trend or average, even though a personal anecdote may be far more convincing to most people than large data sets.

@ucbalumnus, let me clarify, when I am referring to Political Science I am referring to that as a broad category that also includes Government and International Relations which have similar LSAT scores to the other majors you referenced. The admissions information at the top law schools supports a wide range of majors - here’s what The Harvard Law School looks for;

What is the best “pre-law” curriculum? How does one prepare for law school?
The Harvard Law School faculty prescribes no fixed requirements with respect to the content of pre-legal education. The nature of candidates’ college work, as well as the quality of academic performance, is taken into account in the selection process. As preparation for law school, a broad college education is usually preferable to one that is narrowly specialized. The Admissions Committee looks for a showing of thorough learning in a field of your choice, such as history, economics, government, philosophy, mathematics, science, literature or the classics (and many others), rather than a concentration in courses given primarily as vocational training. The Admissions Committee considers that those programs approaching their subjects with attention to educational breadth are better preparatory training for the legal profession than those emphasizing the practical”.

Source: The Harvard Law School http://hls.harvard.edu/dept/jdadmissions/apply-to-harvard-law-school/the-application-process/admissions-faq/#faq-1-6

Perhaps @ucbalumnus and @Chembiodad, y’all could start a separate thred on the merits of which Undergraduate major produces the best LSAT results on a separate thred instead of hijacking OP’s ? She is a HS junior after all, she has at least a year to settle down and choose an appropriate major. :wink:

@labegg, OP mentioned that Law School was a potential future path, thus the discussion about majors that would be best suited - the answer is that there are a lot.

Only you know how important the level of cheer is to you as part of your college experience. If it is really going to be a big part of your life, you may want to check out some of the larger SEC schools which have amazing Honors Programs, such as University of South Carolina, Auburn, etc… Do not let the size prevent you from exploring the options. I went to a small LAC and was worried about my kids going to large school. What I have found is that the Honors Colleges/Programs provide the experience of being at a much smaller school, with the benefits that come with a large research institution. If you choose to pursue law, you want a curriculum that is challenging and will allow you to develop critical thinking skills. I would also encourage you to narrow that list down before you actually start applying. Maybe do some visits to get a feel for some of your top choices. Good luck.

I don’t know that much about cheer - more anecdotal than anything else. However, here are some schools to consider. Some of these don’t meet some of your criteria, but they are all strong schools:

  1. Boston College - I believe the team competes, good location, mid-sized, strong academics.
  2. USC - team is good, academics are strong, but it's huge and in California
  3. University of Miami - team is good, academics are good, it's in Florida and mid-sized.
  4. Villanova - don't know much about the team, but it competes at Nationals and Villanova has decent athletics