<p>With all this hoopla over AA, I think it'd be beneficial for me to give my two cents on this issue.</p>
<p>I'm an average kid, i have 1930 SAT's, a 3.55 gpa, a little bit of EC's. Try to understand my point of view. I'm at a disadvantage; put me next to the next asian who has a 4.0 and 2300 SAT's, obviously I look ten times worse because I dont meet the image of the stereotypical nerdy asian.</p>
<p>Allowing race to enter the college admissions equation doesn't help anyone. AA was made to to help disadvantaged black kids during a time when they were facing extreme social prejudice, but times have changed and that is no longer the case.</p>
<p>Fast forward 40 years: now the only thing AA does is allow for lazy URM's to sit on their asses and expect to have an easier time getting into selective colleges. Look at Asians who came from similar circumstances as the blacks during the 1960's. They were poor and had no social support structure in place, and yet they worked hard and studied hard and now meet and surpass whites in many aspects. Sure, there are still minorities who need help, but making it easier to get into highly selective schools on baseless grounds is illogical.</p>
<p>What are other alternatives? Lower priced/free preschool education, Reduced price/free daycare centers for minority families in need, more academic oriented after-school programs, school sponsered tutoring, less emphasis on state test requirements and more on actual learning. I'm sure ther are plenty more, but I can't think of any more off the top of my head.</p>
<p>AA is an obsolete, un-needed program with many flaws. Rebuttals, comments, concerns, are all appreciated!</p>
<p>As for the actual college admissions process itself, ideally, it should be totally race blind.</p>
<p>Agreed, AA is one of the worst policies ever!</p>
<p>"Allowing race to enter the college admissions equation doesn't help anyone. AA was made to to help disadvantaged black kids during a time when they were facing extreme social prejudice, but times have changed and that is no longer the case."</p>
<p>Not true. I'd talk about it, but anyone who talks about it is apparently just "whining." I'm tired of addressing this anyway, especially with the same information that everyone chooses to ignore. Post your opinion, but, as long as it's just a post on a website all you're going to do is upset people. You haven't done anything.</p>
<p>please. anyone who thinks affirmative action is rational should look at asians. apparently you missed my blurb:</p>
<p>"Look at Asians who came from similar circumstances as the blacks during the 1960's. They were poor and had no social support structure in place, and yet they worked hard and studied hard and now meet and surpass whites in many aspects."</p>
<p>There are simply no excuses.</p>
<p>All AA does is allow for URMS to become dependent on people to give them what they want. What the real solution is to give URMS the tools/infrastructure they need to take steps toward educational "equality", not spoon feed them like this.</p>
<p>Anyone who think AA is irrational can distribute their time in many more efficient ways than by posting flamebait on an internet forum. An internet forum filled with other highschoolers, who are not politicians or policy makers, no less.</p>
<p>It doesn't mean they're apathetic?</p>
<p>Go to the HYPS boards and look at the blacks that were accepted ED</p>
<p>Tell me they sat on their asses</p>
<p>Do you realize that CC has volunatary response bias? Any blacks who've posted their stats on CC boards obviously are not representative of the black population. Props to URMS who've worked hard and deserved it. I'm talking about the exploitation by the ones who don't work as hard.</p>
<p>Those schools aren't subject to the same voluntary selection in regards to their application pool?</p>
<p>You've got to understand, AA does nothing to encourage URMS to become independent and actually take the initiative. It doesnt solve the problem of URMS having less opportunity. You've got to give them the tools to be able to achieve success, not encourage lazyness, which is what AA does. This is some old korean proverb (not sure though), and it sums it up quite nicely: gotta teach them how to to catch fish, not give them fish everytime they want some.</p>
<p>"Those schools aren't subject to the same voluntary selection in regards to their application pool?"</p>
<p>clarify, please.</p>
<p>As in, someone with an 800 on the SAT isn't going to apply to Harvard?</p>
<p>thats just blown out of proportion, really.</p>
<p>Good argument, I guess I lose then.</p>
<p>stop trying so hard aeggie.</p>
<p>I actually opened this up with a thesis, all you've done is ***** without giving any valid support to your "argument".</p>
<p>Your thesis is unsupported by any sort of strong factual evidence (Stuff on the extent of AA might perk someone's ears). My responses didn't have much to aspire to, noting that.</p>
<p>Anyway, there was a topic on this yesterday that just died. If you want to hear my views you can look at that.
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=109948%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=109948</a></p>