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<p>** Shaddix, the question of intelligence's origin is far from settled, and is especially contentious due to the huge political implications. So please stop putting on airs as if it were. What is wrong with noting aggressiveness, intelligence as measured by whatever tests, child-bearing tendencies etc? Saying something is the perfect balance is not scientific though, and that is bias (but not necessarily racism).**</p>

<p>Ashernm...I am putting on airs...where did that come from??? How exactly am I putting on airs here???? I never said I knew the origins of IQ. I stated that studies have shown that genetics does not play a large role in IQ. Did I ever say I knew for certain the origins of IQ...I think not. I stated that a factor-genetics DOES NOT have a large influence on it. I (as in my opinion ashernm-read carefully now :) ) for the most part believe that your environment has more of an influence.</p>

<p>You do realize that Professor Rushton recieved money from a a racist oraginzation for his work? Does that tell you a little about what he may be trying to accomplish or his possible motives...bias might be showing-that is a heck of a lot of bias!! White folks show up quite often as the "nice balance" in his research...that is something other scientists have questioned about his work... Also,the problem with measuring agressiveness is what constitutes an objective test to actually measure it? How will the research be conducted? What will your sample consist of? Where will your sample come from? Will you do observations, a survey, or an experiment? I think this would be rather difficult to accomplish...culture would certainly make it difficult. I wonder what constitutes agressive behavior? For the many different cultures in the world, agression might be viewed in different perspectives. Frankly, I think a test from a European trying to classify the 6 billion people on this planet using skin color to designate certain behaviors/characteristics among groups is crazy, but hey whatever rocks your boat. </p>

<p>*Not to say that one side or another is true, but what leads to the world to chaos is a failure to observe the law, not uncovering unsavory knowledge. Saying otherwise legitimizes a violent response to anything remotely offensive/critical. And besides, to say nothing of his evil character, Hitler couldn't be honest with himself anyway, as that would imperil his ideology (like acknowledging superior performance of Jews). *</p>

<p>Where does this fit into the scheme of things????</p>

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<p>There is a great book written by Edward Said, "Orientalism", which I hope to get to read one day. Although the Orientals he refers to are peoples like the Turks and Persians, the principle can be applied to basically any non-European peoples. His thesis goes like this: because trying to understand foreign cultures that are equal to their own would be too difficult and perhaps threatening, the Europeans came to rearrange the world into a binary system, where the rational and "standard" Occident was the contrast to the exotic Orient. As I said before, the peoples of the world became foils to the Europeans who were, of course, at the center of civilization. (For all you non-literature types, a foil is a character whose purpose is to complement the protagonist). The thesis of "Orientalism" fits in perfectly with the racist notion that blacks are strong but stupid, Asians are smart but weak, and whites are the best of both worlds. </p>

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<p>What is stupid about these categorizations is that there is no basis for them except for mere appearance. Also, a lot of people are excluded because they do not fit convenient stereotypes of Caucasian, Asian, or Black. For example, the Indians. Technically, they're Caucasians, but they're too dark. What about Pacific Islanders? Is there any distinction made between Africans in the upper Sahara and sub-Sahara?</p>

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<p>Asians face many discrimnation, especially in public schools filled with other minorities such as hispanics and blacks. I know this from personal experience. IVe been called tons of different racist remarks. Even worse was the fact that in order to suceed in school, I had to fit the stereotypical nerdy asian kid who studies all day. Let me tell you it was hell every single day. In gym class people assumed I wasnt good at sports even though Im pretty atheletic. You tell me I haven't been discrimnated against. I also come from a low income family. Discrimination alone is not a good enough argument</p>

<p>I think AA is more of an insult to the intelligence of minorities. It is an insult to assume that hispanics/blacks need AA in order to suceed while other immigrant families don't need it. Where is the sense in that? Not to mention that socioeconomics class is never considered and many minorties who have white collar jobs benefit from it more often than not. </p>

<p>AA is one of those things where we look back at it 20 years from now and say to ourselves, "What were we thinking?"</p>

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<p>Ashernm, stop being so racist and posting such clearly racist/non-factual material... leave it for your white youth group meetings...</p>

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<p>WRONG! I am looking at it now and saying "what are people thinking?"</p>

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<p>i agree 100%... I come from an immigrant family and I'm 1st generation here in the US</p>

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<p>Shaddix:
I'm not familiar with Rushton's work. I know that numerous figures have found a disparity in IQ, and some argue for a combination of a genetic and environmental explanation, while others posit an exclusively environmental explanation. The American Psychological Association has confirmed both the former point, and the value of the IQ test, for its great predictive power.</p>

<p>Coincidentally, I read this article yesterday <a href="http://www.umich.edu/news/index.html?Releases/2005/Dec05/r120505%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.umich.edu/news/index.html?Releases/2005/Dec05/r120505&lt;/a> . I think it is pretty important to be able to measure any character traits, so it is always a question of how to go about doing so. I'm not a psychologist and am not informed about such topics. I'm sure your concerns are valid, and I don't know if the methods of measuring agressiveness are valid or not, but I think that, generally, it's a sensible endeavour to try to measure visible or acknowledged traits. Isn't that part of psychology or even sociology and anthropology after all?</p>

<p>Also, I think that, as a matter of course, the best way to invalidate someone's research is not to point to his source of funding but to point to the exact direct, say methodological flaws, if there are any. Look at political think tanks - does each one point to the other and say, hey you're liberal, you're conservative, so obviously you're going to fudge the details. That may be de rigeur for idiotic pundits, but not for dispute among scholars. No, they will say, your premises are wrong, or you misused the statistics et cetera - They use reason to try to discredit their opponents.</p>

<p>That last paragraph was a response to berthran's comment, "I do not think that a race is better than the other. Trying to determine such a thing is just trying to lead the world toward chaos. "</p>

<p>berthran, What is the Occident? And, is there an objective definition of 'smart?' And I will concede at anytime there is much, too much, that I do not know.</p>

<p>Reeze, define racism. You cannot sensibly charge someone of a crime if they law is not defined. And besides, the KKK would not exactly be welcoming me with open arms - I'll leave it to you to figure that one out (you can start with my username).</p>

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<p>When i say Occident, I mean Western Europe and North America. I do not think there is an objective definition of "smart." As someone said eaalier, the way intelligence is measured is dependent upon the cultural context. That is, a "smart" guy in Europe isn't necessarily a "smart" guy in Africa.
Ashernm: You seem to be from India, or anyway I think that you're brown. Yet you are pretty racist. Wish you were born White?</p>

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<p>Aha, now we're actually bringing some emotion to our arguments ashernm... better. Now if only you stop trying to sound so well-informed and controlled</p>

<p>Yeh... me Chinese, white people smarter than me... ching chong ching chong ching.</p>

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<p>Jesus H. Christ people, isn't this supposed to be a community. Can we all take a break and sing "Kumbaya" or something?</p>

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<p>Kumbaya my LORD, kumbaya
Kumbaya my LORD, kumbaya
Kumbaya my LORD, kumbaya
Oh LORD, kummmmmmmmmmmmmmmbaaaaaaaaayaaaaaaaaa</p>

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<p>My, you have a lovely singing voice:)</p>

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<p>How do you measure, measure a year
In daylight, sunsets, in midnights, in cups of coffee
In inches, in miles, in laughter, in strive?</p>

<p>In Five hundrend twenty five thousand six hundred minutes,
How do you measure a year in the life....</p>

<p>;) (gulps for air) ;)
How about Love...LaLaLa!
how about love...LaLaLa!
how about love...LaLaLa!
measure in love...LaLaLa!
seasons of love...LaLaLa!
seasons of loooooooooooooveeeeeee :)</p>

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<p>oh no, not another rendition</p>

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<p>Whaaaa, Whad I say :)</p>

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<p>525,600 minutes. 525,000 journeys to plan. 525,600 minutes. How can you measure the life of a woman or man?</p>

<p>In truths that she learned, or in times that he cried. In bridges he burned, or the way that she died.</p>

<p>It’s time now to sing out, tho the story never ends let's celebrate remember a year in the life of friends. Remember the love! Remember the love! Remember the love! Measure in love. Seasons of love! Seasons of love.</p>

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<p>Cre8tive, you a RENT-head?</p>

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<p>hey, any1 know the lyrics to The Christmas Song?
Chestnuts roasting on the open fire...
doo da... da dum... er...</p>

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<p>Oh boy!</p>

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<p>In my spare time Megalo, in my spare time.</p>

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<p>no you can't,
now The Christmas Song if you please.</p>

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<p>Haha, very nice. Thoughts on the movie?</p>