<p>^yea, thats what i meant. I don't proofread my stuff</p>
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A 2400 of any race is quite rare. Most may end up being Asian, but that doesn't mean that a URM can't get a 2400. There must be some blacks and hispanics with perfect SAT scores.
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<p>Yeah, of course. Rarity is relative. The frequency of 2400 scores goes like this: Asians, Whites, Hispanics, Blacks. It's just that the difference in frequency between blacks and asians is likely 1500%+. Where, between Asians and Whites it might be 200-300% (probably a big overestimation).</p>
<p>I still find it odd that even though URMs are "stealing" spots at top universities, they * still * make up the minority of students at these prestigious universities. </p>
<p>The demographic breakdown is generally like this:
Whites > Asians > Hispanics/Blacks (it differs depending on the university).</p>
<p>"I still find it odd that even though URMs are "stealing" spots at top universities, they still make up the minority of students at these prestigious universities."</p>
<p>Believe it or not, there would be even less URMs at colleges if AA wasn't around. Comapre the % of them at the UC schools, which abolished AA, to the % of them at other schools.</p>
<p>Well, I pose a question to you guys. Assuming you support AA, would you still support it if you were denied from your top college? Also, for those who don't, would you still be against AA if you were accepted at your top college? Think carefully.</p>
<p>Um, how am I supposed to know that my race was the reason I was rejected? It could have been the fact that my #1 school has about 50 applicants from my high school and my #2 school rejected everyone from my high school EA. IMO, race is a tip factor (to get you in, not keep you out). At the most competitive colleges, it is so hard to get in, that you may have nothing lacking in your application, but there may just have been that many more applicants with even stronger applications than yours. You would have to be very arrogant to say that your race was what kept you out because how can you be so sure that you were an automatic admit?</p>
<p>I don't support AA and I would still be against AA if I was accepted.
I could not bring myself to support a policy designed to discriminate in favor of selected races.</p>
<p>This AA thread has gone on for too long with more or less the same arguments.</p>
<p>Let us discuss (I mean bash) legacy admits or something.</p>
<p>There are two types of legacy admits: admits who just so happened to have a parent who went to the college, and admits whose parents have donated a lot of money (like millions). The former got in on their own merits, but may have gotten a tip for the legacy status. The latter take up very few spots and those donations help pay for stuff like need blind admissions, 100% demonstrated need, and other stuff. These admits are necessary for a school to prosper.</p>
<p>Sure, discuss legacy admits as well. Just as controversial :)</p>
<p>The problem with affirmative action is that it sometimes lets individuals who are less qualified into very top colleges. As a result many of these students are overwhelmed during college and do badly as a result. I think it is better to focus on improving education for low income, urban schools so that minority groups will be able to compete and get accepted into college based solely on their accomplishments. AA allows people to overlook the unequal and unfair education in different high schools in America.</p>
<p>I wouldn't mind AA if it helped Asians:D</p>
<p>It does. Just not in the top 100 or so colleges. The problem is that Asians seem more wrapped up in prestige, so they look at the fact that Harvard <em>seems</em> to be admitting less qualified URMs over <em>more</em> qualified Asians (qualified is very subjective and obviously Harvard thought that the people it admitted were the best in the pool, but some care to disagree). However, once you get down to the third and fourth tier schools, and even some top 50 LACs, there are very few Asians and these colleges push to attract more Asians. Top colleges do not need AA because they do not need to attract more Asians. When the country is 4% Asian and you have a college that is 20% Asian, there is no need to reach out. (Asians in top institutions are mostly Chinese, Indian, South Korean, and Japanese. Filipinos, South East Asians, and others are still fairly disadvantaged and colleges recognize that).</p>
<p>Here's the thing of AA. It does infact benefit African-Americans, but it's not a free ride. Think of it as this, since HYP wants a small portion of URMs at their school. This means there's a small spot for URMS,and it'd actually be harder, since there's smaller spots. So only the amazing people can get in. Now let this thread die.</p>
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Here's the thing of AA. It does infact benefit African-Americans, but it's not a free ride. Think of it as this, since HYP wants a small portion of URMs at their school. This means there's a small spot for URMS,and it'd actually be harder, since there's smaller spots. So only the amazing people can get in. Now let this thread die.
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Does this actually make sense? I'm not sure it does.</p>