again with my Columbia v. Pitt decision...

<p>Hi everyone,</p>

<p>I (as many of you are) am struggling with my college decision this month.</p>

<p>I got into Columbia University, and I'm very proud of myself and excited, but they did not offer me a lot of money. My family is in a higher income bracket, so we did not receive tons of aid, but because of hospital bills and my younger siblings going to college in coming years, I would really feel terrible about asking my parents to take out loans. We are already cutting back as it is. If I go to Columbia, both my parents and I will have some pretty big debt upon graduation. </p>

<p>As a result, my parents are really pushing the University of Pittsburgh. I was offered a full-ride scholarship to Pitt - covering my tuition, room and board, all my student fees, with a small grant for books - and a membership to the honors college. The only loan I would have to take out would be a small Stafford loan, which my parents say they would try and help me pay off while I'm still in school. </p>

<p>My mom says that graduating without debt will open up opportunities for me further down the road...that I'll have more financial freedom, better credit, and maybe an opportunity to travel while I'm young. She says this is especially important because I have NO idea what I want to do.</p>

<p>But I have serious misgivings about giving up a Columbia education...and I'm also a little worried about Pittsburgh, just because the city always gets such a bad rap. (I've lived in the suburbs since I was six or seven, though, so I'm kinda thinking that any city at all will seem like an upgrade to me..ha.) At the same time, I don't know what I want to do, and maybe prestige will have no importance in my career path of choice..?</p>

<p>If my parents have any say in the matter (which they do), I'm pretty sure I will be headed to Pitt. I guess I'm just looking for opinions and some reassurance that this won't completely ruin my life!</p>

<p>Any informed opinions from college graduates who have dealt with debt?</p>

<p>For what it’s worth, Pittsburgh is a GREAT city to go to school. The Pitt campus is intertwined with Carnegie Mellon, and there are parks, indoor/outdoor eateries, lots of campus events. Free bus transportation. Lots of cultural events. (and sports of course).</p>

<p>How much debt would YOU (not your parents) have if you went to Columbia?</p>

<p>I come from a high school that sends many students to Pitt and the honors program each year. In recent years, all of the kids have seemed to really enjoy it and don’t have too many complaints about it. I also spent a summer in the city – Pittsburgh is really a very nice and affordable place to live for 4 years of school. </p>

<p>Do you have any specific questions about it?</p>

<p>Will your younger sibling be attending college at the same time as you? Although it sounds like a financial disaster, it can actually be a very good thing. I went from receiving no aid to receiving ~$30000 in grants due to my brother going to college. You should ask how they take siblings into account. </p>

<p>I’m from PA, and Pitt is a great school if you’re motivated. I don’t know much about the honors program, though. Everyone I knew that went came back smoking weed. By everyone, I mean 5 or 6 people. It’s a nice city, but I don’t think it even compares to New York.</p>

<p>Go to Pitt if all you want to do with your life is live a happy, debt-free lifestyle where you go to a job you sort of like, get married, have kids, and retire in your 50’s.</p>

<p>Go to Columbia if you have high dreams of discovering, researching, or leading. The experience there will be unlike that of anywhere else. You only get to go to a undergraduate college once, so think carefully.</p>

<p>nooob,</p>

<p>That’s just not true. It is possible to go to a state school and be successful for some people. It really depends on the person and how self-motivated they are. For me, I need the environment of being surround by other very motivated students. The Pitt honors program may very well offer that. It’s up to the OP, and the choice is definitely not as black and white as you make it.</p>

<p>Have you asked Columbia to look at the hospital bills as a special circumstance?</p>

<p>Well, nooob, I don’t like kids and I’m not really into settling down - not anytime soon, anyway - so I don’t know if your generalization really applies to me! I don’t think that going to a state school would condemn me to a life of drudgery…especially if you know me, which you don’t, so I forgive you. ;)</p>

<p>I think that I have the potential to do well at both schools - I’m really motivated and genuinely enjoy learning, and definitely won’t settle. Personally, that isn’t what worries me…I know that I have the drive to seek out what I want after college, whatever that may be, no matter where I go. </p>

<p>It might be a little harder under certain circumstances, of course. I do realize that Columbia offers a very unique experience. I’m just wondering if it’s worth going in debt and possibly jeopardizing my sibling’s education or father’s health when I don’t know even know what career path I will take.</p>

<p>and I didn’t know that Columbia would consider looking at special circumstances, but I will definitely look into that, hopefully in time for the final decision. thanks hmom5. :)</p>

<p>Go to Pitt and graduate debt free.</p>

<p>How much debt?</p>

<p>I am a college graduate who accepted a full ride scholarship to a liberal arts college on the “second tier” (currently ranked somewhere around #75) over Emory, who accepted me but didn’t give me very much financial aid. Like you, had I chosen Emory, even if i had been able to afford it I would’ve been plunged deeply into debt. By the time I graduated I likely would’ve owed over $100,000. Columbia was my dream school for undergrad, but I didn’t even apply because I knew my family couldn’t afford it and I didn’t want to torture myself.</p>

<p>I LOVED my experience at my LAC. I made a lot of friends; I thrived and grew there. I got involved with research, which I have discovered is a passion of mine. I had a lot of fun – I partied, I stayed with my local boyfriend (we’re engaged now!), I studied abroad. All the things that you can do at virtually any college across the country. The idea that if you go to a college at which your credentials exceed the majority of students, you will be unchallenged, is a myth. My undergradate college challenged me in so many ways; it transformed my thinking in the tradition of the liberal arts college. One thing that you will learn in college and beyond is that your high school GPA and SAT scores just DO NOT MATTER in the grand scheme of life. People’s scores aren’t written on their foreheads, and I don’t see my peers in undergrad as any different from the undergrads that I see here at Columbia. </p>

<p>I graduated with honors last spring and I am currently pursuing a Ph.D at – guess where? – Columbia! I absolutely love it here, but I am glad that I did not come here as an undergrad, because now I get to have the experience of New York as a certified self-supporting adult, and plus I get to have it as my Ph.D institution on my CV/resume when I am looking for jobs in 5-6 years.</p>

<p>The truth is, your undergraduate college matters much less than what you do there. If you have “high dreams of discovering, researching, or leading” and you have the talent and ambition required – or at least the motivation to acquire the skills to do so – then you will do it regardless of where you go! A vast number of leaders in all fields did NOT attend Ivy League universities for undergrad. The idea that graduates of colleges outside of the Ivy League and other expensive private schools are destined for mediocrity is a false one, borne out by people with little experience in the world. (Case in point: the majority of the graduate students that I know here did NOT attend Ivy League universities or other top elite privates for undergrad.)</p>

<p>However, let me tell you something about being debt-free. I borrowed a small amount of loans for miscellaneous expenses – far more than I needed, in retrospect, but still much smaller than what my peers were borrowing for their education at my LAC. My loans are currently in deferment and I had to borrow a little to get me started here in graduate school. When I graduate, even if I get a job that pays $50,000 a year (which is lower than what I expect with a Ph.D from Columbia!) I can still pay off my student loans in 5 years, which is my goal. No 10-year repayment for me and no huge monthly payments! If I pay my loans off in 5 years, my monthly payments will be just short of $400 a month. This gives me the freedom to choose from a large range of positions within my field that are available to Ph.D graduates, not motivated by salary considerations. It is great not to have student loan debt the size of a mortgage looming over my head before I even get started in life, really!</p>

<p>I’m not telling you to pick Pitt (it may seem llike it, but I honestly am not). I want you to pick where you want to go, and what seems the best for you and your family. But, I want to reassure you that you shouldn’t feel bad for turning down Columbia (for now) because you and your family can’t afford it. You can get a fantastic education for you at Pitt, if you want it. And turning it down now will possibly open up possibilities later for you that you couldn’t afford if you had gone to Columbia and gotten yourself into debt (ex - I thought about teaching abroad after college, and I didn’t even think about my student loan debt. Student loans don’t go into deferral just because you take a low-paying job, but my payment would’ve been less than $100 a month.) And I’m not convinced that going to Columbia will open up so many more possibilities that outweigh the debt.</p>

<p>So, again, how much debt will you be carrying? It might be that Columbia isn’t even a rational choice, but we can’t tell from what you posted.</p>

<p>juilet,</p>

<p>Interesting post. Thanks for sharing!</p>