@NavalTradition
Thanks for the quick response. I have considered Wabash, but I heard it has a pretty large gay community. I am BY NO MEANS a Homophobe (I actually have gay friends/acquaintances) It just that the idea of homosexuality at an all-male school disgusts me. If it were co-ed, I would understand. Hampden-Sydney is ranked #3 for most unfriendly towards gays. I think that says something. It’s just my opinion, and if you are a decent person you will not judge me: Just as I would not judge someone who disagrees with me on the issue. Anyway, what have you heard about the school culture, at Hampden-Sydney? What is the vibe on campus?
Thanks so much!
@Kdkhan Because Bob Jones is a widely-criticized school… I think some liberals should attend conservative bent schools to challenge their views, and there are reputable schools that do lean right. But Bob Jones is not one. We are telling you that there are quality left leaning institutions to choose from, not a liberal equivalent to Bob Jones.
Also, " high school rich kids go there" is not a measure of prestige.
Nobody is telling you to go to Reed or any other of the notoriously liberal schools, but there are a ton of quality liberal schools. And you acting as if these schools are “socialists” and “liberal tree huggers” prove you know very little about the world right now.
“… you recommend I spend 4 years with tree-hugging, socialist fools. Not going to happen. Why is it always conservatives that should go to Leftist schools. Why not send a Atheist Liberal to Bob Jones so they can have THIER views challenged?”
“I am BY NO MEANS a Homophobe (I actually have gay friends/acquaintances) It just that the idea of homosexuality at an all-male school disgusts me.”
Wow.
“#3 for most unfriendly towards gays” Well, that’s a ringing endorsement. (Insert sarcasm here) 8-|
“Hampden-Sydney is ranked #3 for most unfriendly towards gays. I think that says something.”
I think it says something too…but I have a feeling we think it says different things. it’s weird that you would say you are in support of gays and have gay friends, yet feel the need to tout one of your top choices is decidedly anti-gay to the extreme.
Anyway…It seems to me like you decided on Hampden-Sydney a long time ago, and are just looking for people to give you that little nudge to go through with it. I think it has what you’re looking for, though it’s definitely not for everyone (especially me). To me, a school that cites a 50% ACT range from 21-28 is not prestigious, (which makes me wonder why you felt the need to criticize Morehouse but talk about how great Hampden-Sydney is) but that does not mean that the school lacks opportunities necessary to produce quality graduates. I think your defense of Hampden-Sydney confirms it’s where you want to be.
Still having trouble seeing how Sewanee aligns with your views and interests. By all means visit, but if you spend any time there at all you will come away feeling that you have very little in common with the students there.
“Patrick Henry College (elite evangelical institution that sends students to Harvard Law School every year.)”
PHC, using your frame of reference, should therefore be eliminated from consideration for this tendency to graduate students who then choose to continue on to a university with identifiable liberal elements. Maybe Hampden-Sydney does better in its post-graduate placements.
I think the OP is looking for a time machine. He wants a conservative college, with no women, no gays, and no poor people (based on prior posts). I think he may be out of luck.
OP, the world is not like that anymore, whether you want it to be or not. You are going to have to broaden your views of what you are willing to accept in a college or you will not be happy anywhere.
I think you hit most of the nail head here. Nationally the ratio of women attending college is 6:4 over men, or getting darn close to it. Obviously there were larger social considerations at play in the decisions to go co-ed: The America of the post-50’s was simply never going to be the same as it was and its attitude towards equality of education and opportunity was evolving rapidly, especially among academia which was well out in front on this issue. One can certainly disagree with that attitude politically and wish it hadn’t been the case, but it would be foolish to pretend that isn’t what was happening. So while social change was probably the most responsible element for the initial wave of transformations to co-educational institutions as @juillet says, in today’s world the overwhelming number of women that make up the entering classes at most schools dictates that it would be difficult to sustain an all male school. That’s not to say that there isn’t room for a few more if the demand is there and they can market themselves properly. But is the demand there? Perhaps that would make a fascinating research project for the OP wherever he ends up.
On a moderation note, some of the posts about feminism were clearly more political in nature than explanatory. These have been modified or deleted. Also, there were quite a few posts that were denigrating towards the OP. Debate by insult is not debate at all. Make your points without negative personal references towards others. Again, if you think that a post violates the Terms of Service because it is hateful, racist, etc. then report it without making your own comments about it on the thread. If it really is a violation it will be deleted, which means your post in response will disappear as well anyway, and you risk a warning of your own if that response is vitriolic, as many of them are. So you might as well avoid that. Thanks.
@merc81
PHC students attend Harvard Law because it is simply the best. Not for ideological reasons. They have been hired at top NYC and Boston law firms, so attending Harvard has paid off. I ultimately want to go into either law or banking. If I go into law, my top choice for law school is Harvard without question. Obama went to Harvard Law, but you know who else went to Harvard Law: Ted Cruz and Mitt Romney.
@me29034
“OP wants a college with no women, no gays, and no poor people” That sounds a lot like Hampden-Sydney, so maybe there’s still hope for me! In any case you are wrong. My family isn’t rich (I live a middle class lifestyle) and I never said I didn’t want women at my college. I just don’t want them in the classroom. Women visit Hampden-Sydney all the time on the weekends. The reason I am mentioning HSC so much, isn’t because I am certain I will go there, it’s because this thread is about All-Male schools. Patrick Henry, Hampden-Sydney, Hillsdale, and Wofford would be great fits for me:Sewanee would be nice, but less of a fit.
All-male and all-female colleges and universities are few in number simply because society at large does not see the need for single-sex institutions of higher learning. Feminism perhaps played a small role it the change, but I suspect changing times was the main culprit/instigator.
To the OP, all elite universities are of the opinion that diversity in the classroom is essential for a good education, and there are a multitude of metrics to back up such a notion. There is no exception to that rule. Without both men and women in the classroom, the intellectual process is undeniably curtailed. There are a handful of excellent women’s colleges left because the demand for such colleges still exists, but there isn’t a single elite men’s college left because there aren’t enough faculty and students willing to attend all-male schools. HSC, Morehouse etc…are solid, but they are hardly excellent.
I had a friend who wanted to attend a women’s college, at least in part, because she thought having men around would be distracting. That might be a sensible reason for somebody to want an all-male environment as well.
“and you recommend I spend the next 4 years with tree-hugging … fools”
Would you rather our nation’s college students passively witness the Sixth Extinction? Or ignore it completely? Respond as you choose or consider the question rhetorical.
So…women are only distracting in the classroom…where there’s not much talking. Much of your work will be done outside of the classroom, where you want women…
I just wanted to harp on this point: you’ve given no reason for wanting all male, and this is only showing that fewer are possible. There’s plenty else wrong here but the rest of the thread is on top of it. I’m still curious as to why this thread still exists but oh well, at least it’s entertainment.
Pepperdine University.
It sounds as if the OP has wisely identified Hampden-Sidney as a target school. He should probably concentrate his efforts on applying there ED. He will probably get in, and won’t have to obsess throughout his senior year. Nobody here will validate the choice by saying that they enjoy the same prestige as other formerly all-male liberal arts colleges such as Williams, Amherst, or Haverford, but - if I recall the OP’s first thread - he probably would not have been competitive for any of those colleges. I may have drawn some incorrect inferences, but I’ve surmised that the OP comes from a conservative culture with different ideas about gender roles. I don’t know whether “kdkhan” is his name (CC discourages that), but I suppose I drew my inference from it, and guessed that his heritage is Middle Eastern or South Asian, which is why he isn’t interested in Evangelical Christian colleges. Hampden-Sidney might be ideal for him.
I agree that HampdenSydney is perfect for what OP wants, and by applying ED OP would save himself a lot of trouble because he’d get in and be fine.
Hobart and St JOhn’s MN are two other possibilities to add to the list (both are rather preppy, either in dress or in “students from private schools”, and conservative.)
Morehouse can actually be preppy in dress style and rather conservative, but its students aren’t boarding-school rich.
@woogzmama
“He isn’t interested in Evangelical colleges” I have said repeatedly that I am interested in Patrick Henry College. I am Middle Eastern, but also a devout Episcopalian(conservative High Anglican)
I’m sorry for my mistake. I forgot that you were looking at Patrick Henry. I seemed to recall that you had not shown interest in Wheaton (IL), Liberty, et al. I probably should have said Baptist/Fundamentalist, instead of Evangelical. I made no inferences regarding your religion, but only regarding your cultural attitudes.
OP – Can you really see yourself as a Morehouse Man?