<p>I hope they apply the zero tolerance policy to employees of the university and its facilities also. Jesse Mathew worked in the UVa hospital. The same weekend Hannah Graham disappeared there was a sexual assault at the hospital’s parking garage. </p>
<p>I didn’t say “too much money.” If few resources are being expended now, then I don’t have that concern anymore. That doesn’t change my mind about how these felonies should be handled. If you are robbed at knifepoint on campus by a fellow student, do we leave that incident to the college to “work out?” Why do we treat rapes differently?</p>
<p>Hahaha!</p>
<p>if you are robbed at knifepoint on campus by a fellow student? I highly suspect he will be expelled the next day.</p>
<p>And there will be a criminal investigation.</p>
<p>The fact is there needs to be both.</p>
<p>it is a completely false dilemna. It is not either/or.</p>
<p>Pursue a criminal investigation and pursue a college investigation, as well. </p>
<p>Colleges simply cannot abdicate responsibility for the safety of half of their population. Sorry.,</p>
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<p>As I said, you can remove the student from campus immediately and postpone formal punishment until the legal case has played out. It’s not an either/or.</p>
<p>Yes, you can wait for the legal case to play out, like they frequently do with civil cases, but there is no question that a student robbed by another student in the parking lot at knifepoint has a right to a civil standard review regarding that other student. Beyond a reasonable doubt standards are not civil case standards, nor should they be.</p>
<p>I don’t see why treatment should be any different for the accused robber than the accused rapist. What am I missing?</p>
<p>Well, for example, since this is a discussion about UVA, let’s look at their policy:</p>
<p>they do adjudicate stealing cases and they do expel for stealing.</p>
<p>They have, up to now, only suspended for rape.</p>
<p>I don’t see why treatment should be any different either. Except stealing is a lesser offense than rape. </p>
<p>Sounds like it is the same now. </p>
<p>I still don’t get the "hahahaha " response </p>
<p>I don’t understand this either</p>
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<p>It was in response to collegealum.</p>
<p>No. It is not the same yet. We will see if they change. They said they would change and that would be great.</p>
<p>Let’s be honest, their are over 80 Universities currently under investigation for the way they have been handling rape reports on campus. UVA is one of twelve under a more serious review.</p>
<p>More will be revealed.</p>
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<p>I like this a lot.</p>
<p>Am I remembering from other threads that you are a fraternity member?</p>
<p>The police and DAs are pretty good at investigating and prosecuting murder and robberies. The Yeardley Love and Hannah Graham cases prove the point. Neither was taken lightly and both will be prosecuted to a conviction. But we all know that the regular legal system pretty much sucks at prosecuting rape, especially rapes of the intoxicated acquaintance he said/she said type. </p>
<p>The reason why these incidents wind up in the hands of the schools is because the regular legal system handles them terribly. Turns out the schools suck at it too. </p>
<p>I appreciate that. but I also want to say that we have increasing evidence that rapes are actually NOT investigated at all in this country. And, in fact, the purported he said/she said is an excuse for shoddy police work.</p>
<p>Like I said, the schools and the regular legal system BOTH do a horrible job at this. Check out this story.</p>
<p><a href=“Rape Kits Aren't Available On Campus In Boulder, Fort Collins | KUNC”>http://www.kunc.org/post/rape-kits-arent-available-campus-boulder-fort-collins</a></p>
<p>CU Boulder, with 30,000 students doesn’t stock rape kits in the student health center or have anyone trained to administer one. Same thing for Colorado State’ with 25,000 students. That’s bad. But neither does a single hospital in the county where CU or CSU is located. That’s way way worse.</p>
<p>Any victim in Boulder or Fort Collins (college student or not) is advised to drive 50 minutes away to find a qualified hospital. </p>
<p>" if you are robbed at knifepoint on campus by a fellow student? I highly suspect he will be expelled the next day."</p>
<p>Would she have reported being robbed right away?</p>
<p>If so, why didn’t she report the rape right away? If not, that’s a problem too.</p>
<p>Or, maybe if she did have her smart phone stolen at a frat, would her friends tell her not to report it so they could keep going to frat parties?</p>
<p>As for rape kits at campus health centers, many are not open on the weekends and many defer to hospitals for many things. You can’t require it on every campus, but if the campus health center is open 24/7, I would think they should provide rape kits.</p>
<p>(see the thread about a hospital essentially incarcerating a poster’s child because the campus health center was not open on weekends to clear her)</p>
<p>If you suspend people who are accused immediately, without trial, how do you avoid civil suits from situations like the Mercer CCC case where the rape allegation was false?</p>
<p>Today of all days, I am mystified how everyone is so enthusiastic about turning responsibility for dealing with college campus rapes over to a criminal justice system that seems unable to cope with any sort of knotty problem at all. Does anyone really imagine that it would be a simple matter to prosecute and obtain convictions for the horrendous rapes described in the stories posted on this thread?</p>
<p>^amen</p>
<p>Ive just had one kid attend a school with a residential college system and another heavy on fraternities and sororities. From what I have seen the residential college system is a far, far healthier system. Yes I am sure there are bad situations at both but I really don’t get why colleges - especially smaller schools - still have fraternities. Isnt one of the goals to get people from diverse backgrounds to work together and learn from each other. fraternities and sororities do the exact opposite.</p>
<p>JHS- not a simple matter at all, merely the reality that once a case hits the criminal justice system, it is harder (not impossible, but harder) to do a complete whitewash. Miranda, right to an attorney, etc- you don’t have as great a chance that a bunch of poorly trained college administrators are going to sit the alleged perp and victim down in the same room and say, “ok, let’s figure this out together”. At least once you get the police involved, there are some well defined laws and protocols (which continually get tested as similar cases go to appeals). The police are trained in the laws of evidence, chain of custody, not to permit people to tamper with an active crime scene, etc. When they mess up- there are consequences. The college adminstrators have no training and somehow they’re supposed to produce evidence which could stand up in court?</p>
<p>The Good Wife (S06E08 I think) did a great job presenting how rape discussion/process go on college campuses. They got many things right and must have had research done on the topic of campus rape before they presented the “in college” proceedings. </p>