Am I right for these schools? Please chance me! :-).

Chance Me / Match Me!
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<p>Okay, so, this is my fifth post asking to be chanced, and I hope someone chances me. If there's a reason I haven't been chanced (i.e. I haven't gone through some sort of n00b ritual), please let me know. Thanks! :-).</p>

<p>Please chance me for the following schools:
1. UPenn - Wharton, ED
2. Carnegie Mellon
3. Georgetown
4. Lehigh (double legacy plus two other relatives, most recent graduated from the business school)
5. Boston College
6. UVA</p>

<p>Stats:
Female
NJ
White
Fairly Competitive Public School (Ranked 58th best public school in the state)
Class Rank - not given, but I estimate definitely top 10%.</p>

<p>GPA:
Roughly a 3.78 unweighted, 4.0 weighted.
I have had straight A's in all my classes except Honors Algebra II (B at an 87), Advanced Honors Chemistry (B at an 87), Honors Precalc (B at an 87), and AP US History II (B at an 88).</p>

<p>AP Courses (including senior year):
Advanced Honors English I and II, AP English III and IV (5 on Lang/Comp)
Advanced Honors Chemistry
AP US History I and II (3 on the exam :-()
AP Macro (4 on the exam)
AP Micro
AP Spanish
AP World History</p>

<p>I have pretty much taken the hardest of everything except my senior year I'm taking honors calc instead of AP Calc. Other than that I have taken all honors classes except for Wind Ensemble and the required gym/health classes.</p>

<p>SAT Scores:
680 math (I will take the SATs again to bring this up)
720 critical reading
740 math
so 1400/2140</p>

<p>670 literature (I plan to take that again)
690 US History</p>

<p>ACT Scores:
31 Composite
33 English
33 Math
31 Reading
28 Science
12 Writing Subscore (aka perfect score on the essay)</p>

<p>Resume - Absolutely insane. School clubs include Debate Team Captain, FBLA Secretary, World Affairs Club Steering Committee, Town Youth Advisory Council, Tri-M Music Honor Society, National Honor Society, and Spanish Honor Society. In terms of music, I play clarinet in the school band and have been in the local honors band for 6, hopefully 7 years. For Tri-M I have been in charge of an instrument collection and donation program.</p>

<p>Also, I've been a Girl Scout for 12 years. I've earned the Gold Award, the highest award a Girl Scout can earn (equivalent of Boy Scout Eagle Scout) along with a plethora of other awards. I was also Secretary of an older girl group for four years, and in that group I helped put on a lot of events as a major leader. I'm also Senior Ambassador to the council's Board of Directors, so I am the representative of 27,000 Girl Scouts.</p>

<p>In other words, my extracurricular activities are stellar.</p>

<p>I'm applying as a management major for undergraduate business, so my guess/hope is they weigh leadership more heavily than if I were to apply perhaps as an English major or an Engineering major.</p>

<p>PLEASSEEEEE CHANCE ME!!! :-). I'd really appreciate it!!!</p>

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<p>UPenn - reach
Carnegie Mellon - match
Georgetown - reach
Lehigh - safety - match
BC - slight reach
UVA - match</p>

<p>i would definitely get those SAT I/II scores up. Those are probably the major things dragging you down</p>

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<p>No offense, but besides your multifarious EC's your scores and grades are wayy too low for Wharton. Wharton perennially turns down kids with 2300+, 800+, 4.0, and EC's similar to yours. </p>

<p>"- Absolutely insane. School clubs include Debate Team Captain, FBLA Secretary, World Affairs Club Steering Committee, Town Youth Advisory Council, Tri-M Music Honor Society, National Honor Society, and Spanish Honor Society. In terms of music, I play clarinet in the school band and have been in the local honors band for 6, hopefully 7 years. For Tri-M I have been in charge of an instrument collection and donation program."</p>

<p>As of now these are fluff. Did you win state or national debate awards? Did you get selected for your region or state band? Are any of these clubs actually substantive. FBLA is a joke. </p>

<p>As of now I say Penn Wharton is a big reach, but if I were you I would try to get 2250 + and really crystallize how much girl scouts means to you.</p>

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<p>okay
im just going to tell you straight up - you're not going to get into Wharton
it may seem harsh or whatever, but even for kids who have really high SAT scores and GPAs, it's a big reach
and i mean your EC's aren't THAT good; you didnt win any awards and they just seem like fluff as the person above me said
if, on your resume, you state what you've done in the clubs and what awards you've won, it would improve it a lot. I mean, I wouldn't go as far as to say that FBLA is fluff, because I'm in it in my school and state and I know how much work goes into it, but at the same time on my resume I have dictated all the competitions I have competed in, the projects I have organized, etc.
ANYWAY
i really dont think you have a good shot there
sorry, baby</p>

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<p>Thanks peachsnapple! I'm suprised you ranked UVA as a match - I figured since I'm out of state it would be a lot harder...I know their out-of-state acceptance rate is about the same as Georgetown's. Also interesting to see Boston College as a slight reach - I generally considered it a safety.</p>

<p>I know I have to bring my SAT math up, so I'll be working on that. In terms of Subject Tests, I'm not taking history again (I took it right before</p>

<p>Okay, so I didn't list my awards or discuss what I do in my ECs because I thought my post was too long. No one responded to the first four posts I made.</p>

<p>Academic Awards
Advanced Honors English II Student of the Year 2007
Health and Physical Education Student of the Year 2007
Advanced Honors Chemistry Annual Soda Fountain Challenge Winner 2007
Honors Physics Student of the Month November 2007
Perfect Attendance Award: 3rd - Present</p>

<p>FBLA (which yes I know is a joke, but I'm trying to make the club more active)
Regional Competition: 10th – 11th
-4th Honors in Intro to Parliamentary Procedure: 10th
-4th Honors in Business Communication: 11th</p>

<p>World Affairs Club
South Jersey Model U.N. Best Novice Award: 11th
Eastern Model U.N. Honorable Mention Award: 11th</p>

<p>Girl Scout Awards
Cadette Girl Scout Silver Award: 9th - A minimum 30 hour project, painted a mural at the Girl Scout Camp Inawendiwin Nature Center, a project totaling 50 hours
Community Service in Girl Scouting Award: 9th
Senior Girl Scout Leadership Award
Senior Girl Scout Career Award
Senior Girl Scout Gold Award - A minimum 65 hour project; created and directed a week long arts camp at the local teen shelter, a project totaling 120 hours
Selected as Girl Ambassador to the board of directors</p>

<p>Older Girl Group (GEMS) Leadership:
GEMS Secretary: 8th – 11th
Shelter Girls Holiday Party Chairperson: 8th – 11th
BLAZE Boy Scout/ Girl Scout Camping Weekend Chairperson: 8th – 10th
On a High Note Interest Project Weekend Chairperson: 9th
Invitation to the Dance Interest Project Weekend Chairperson: 10th</p>

<p>So as for girl scouts, I don't have stupid leadership. I spend months planning these weekend events - the boy scout/girl scout encampment is from a Friday to a Sunday, and I have had to oversee every single aspect of the schedule and all of its activities.</p>

<p>Music - the honors band is based on tryouts, and it's a regional band.</p>

<p>Camp LeBow (Business Camp at Drexel)
1st place PharmaSim Stock Price Team
1st place PharmaSim Net Income Team
1st place Society of Health Medicine Marketing Brainstorming Team
1st place PharmaSim Presentation Team</p>

<p>In terms of the substance of these clubs, I'm in charge of all preseason debate meetings from september to december every single week - the advisor isn't even at the meetings. So I have to run meetings on my own for 3 months, and I have to coach all the JV members. Overall I have to promote critical thinking skills, educate JV members on proper debate form and decorum, lead all meetings and all discussions of the topic at hand, help JV teams create and write affirmative plans, and organize JV debating rotation. And the only awards available in our league are best speaker for each team (which I got beat out for by a senior on the team by 1 point) and winning the actual division or league, which is based on both the negative and affirmative performances, something very much out of my control.</p>

<p>The instrument collection program is also entirely run on my own with little to no advisor help. I'm constantly working on advertising (getting us in local newspapers), arranging instrument pickups, etc. It's a LOT of work.</p>

<p>Yes, I'll admit that NHS and FBLA aren't really that important or time-consuming. But my activities are NOT fluff. I just originally included a couple things. My resume, including a detailed explanation of my Gold Award, is 5 pages long.</p>

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<p>In terms of the substance of these clubs, I'm in charge of all preseason debate meetings from september to december every single week - the advisor isn't even at the meetings. So I have to run meetings on my own for 3 months, and I have to coach all the JV members. Overall I have to promote critical thinking skills, educate JV members on proper debate form and decorum, lead all meetings and all discussions of the topic at hand, help JV teams create and write affirmative plans, and organize JV debating rotation. And the only awards available in our league are best speaker for each team (which I got beat out for by a senior on the team by 1 point) and winning the actual division or league, which is based on both the negative and affirmative performances, something very much out of my control.</p>

<p>this IS fluff as are all honors listed above girl scouts</p>

<p>a 5 page resume will only make it seem like you are adding padding to a weaker profile.</p>

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<p>^ I agree with the post above. You really ought to condense a 5 page resume into 2 or better yet 1 page. I don't think admissions officers are going to go through a five page resume throughly. Instead, a very strong one page resume might be better. I know you have a lot of awards but I don't think listing ALL of them in five pages is going to be much better than listing a few of your best awards in a strong one page resume. Just my $0.02</p>

<p>But having said that
1. UPenn - Wharton, ED - Pretty big reach but go for it if you want, 20%
2. Carnegie Mellon - Low Reach I believe, 70%
3. Georgetown - Medium Reach 50% - 60%
4. Lehigh (double legacy plus two other relatives, most recent graduated from the business school) should be a match then, 95% says your in
5. Boston College - High Match? 80%
6. UVA - High Match/Low Reach - 70%</p>

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<p>Why isn't Stern on your list?</p>

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<p>to make mine more specific, i'd say that upenn and georgetown are high reaches
but i would definitely say UVA is a match along with Carnegie Mellon</p>

<p>^ do you mean Stern at NYU?
i would say that's a high reach too...</p>

<p>i'm not an expert at discerning "fluff", but if the others say it's fluff, then it probably is...</p>

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<p>I agree with peachsnapple's ranking of schools. Keep your resume to one page and only list things of substance. Basically, your EC's consist of band, girl scouts, and debate team. Keep the resume simple, organized, and easy to read. You don't need to include all of the details of girl scouts. Don't include stuff from 8th or 9th grade. Regarding Camp LeBow--I don't think kids include summer camp awards on resumes. The colleges want info on your academics, high school EC participation (especially if you stuck with something all 4 years and advanced within the organization--i.e. JV sport to V sport to Captain of the team). Don't mention your Academic Awards other than National Honor Society. The rest sound like those computer generated certificates that every school hands out during the academic awards ceremony. Emphasize your leadership role in girl scouts but don't include on your resume every time you acted as a chairperson for an event. I suggest keeping band, girl scouts, debate team, and national honor society on resume--focus on these. Drop the rest because it's obvious fluff. Let your gpa stand out (ACT comp. of 31 is good).</p>

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<p>Rferns, I'm sorry, but my Girl Scout stuff is NOT fluff. For my Gold Award, I organized a week long arts camp at a local teen shelter. I spent almost every day of my summer vacation making phone calls and trying to organize a complete schedule of arts activities. Using my networking skills, I got a chef to come teach the girls cooking, a drama instructor, an interior design workshop, a martial arts class, a sports yoga class, and a belly dancing class. I organized my own scrapbooking and music workshops. I went out to camp every Friday with the teens to get to know them better and run their art camp programming. Oh yeah, I did all this when I was 16 years old, before I was even a junior in high school. I spent 120 hours arranging and doing the camp, and the requirements for the award only require 50 hours. I'm sorry, if that's fluff, then I guess I'm a fluffy Girl Scout. The other awards required 40 hours each of leadership and career work. I really can't earn any higher awards than the highest.</p>

<p>And rfern, not to be completely obtuse, but maybe Wharton turns down these perfect score kids because they want to see something unique or different? I don't know how many Girl Scouts have applied to Wharton, but considering Wharton is only 35% female, I can't imagine a lot have. My leadership is so much better than people who do student council or whatever because I've been in charge of a plethora of camping weekends for over 5 years and not stupid things like spirit week or school dances.</p>

<p>In terms of the length of my resume, The activities list is 2 1/2 pages. I put in a page break, wrote one page on my Gold Award project, and then the 5th page is the attached schedule for the camp.</p>

<p>I know my resume is long, but it's really nicely formatted with bullets, so it's easy to read/skim.</p>

<p>Techy, Stern isn't on my list because my parents don't want me going to school in New York City.</p>

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<p>I didn't say girl scouts was fluff. I said all the other stuff was. You can reread my comment.</p>

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<p>You don't need to trash people doing Student Council just because someone said that Girl Scouts WASN'T fluff. Maybe your holier-than-thou attitude isn't what Wharton is looking for either.</p>

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<p>okay honey
i DEFINITELY agree with Rferns
as I said before, colleges don't care how many things you're doing,b ut rather what you're doing with them
and I'm going to tell you this - no matter how 'pretty' your resume is, the admissions officers are going to think that you're a joke if you submit such a long resume. If the last page is just a schedule, submit it as supplementary material, not as part of your resume, that's just stupid</p>

<p>and furthermore, do you know how many girls do girl scouts? A LOT. Any way you look at it, being Student Council president is going to look better than anything you do in Girl Scouts; it's just the reputation that the Student Government organization has.</p>

<p>and LASTLY, dont go acting all elitist when you can't even get a 4.0
there's a very, very, VERY low chance that you're going to get into Wharton. all colleges say that they look at GPA, rigor of classes, and test scores first, even before EC's
so maybe all that time spent at camp should ahve been spent studying
=/</p>

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<p>Wharton-Huge reach
Georgetown-reach
UVA OOS: Reach
BC- lower reach
CM-match, not a certainty
Lehigh-match</p>

<p>Here's the thing: Admissions are very competitive for smart girls from NJ (actually, the whole tristate area), who are one of the most overrepresented demographics in applying to Northeast schools. There will be many similar girls applying to the same schools as you are, some with better grades and/or higher scores, some athletes, some URMs, some with development/legacy hooks. The competition will be tough.</p>

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<p>I didn't mean to take a sanctimonious attitude, but I'm not a big fan of being trashed for being super-involved and spending hours on end planning tons of events. It's not a pleasant feeling. And yeah the student council remark was unnecessary, but at my school they don't do anything of significance, so I didn't mean to be insulting. Currently 2.7 million girls ages 5 to 17 are registered as girl scouts, and I know for a fact older girl membership drops like crazy.</p>

<p>Btw, sorry rferns, misread your comment. But the academic awards are definitely not fluff, especially not my advanced honors english award, which basically implies I'm the top english student in the grade.</p>

<p>I'm not trying to be whiny or angsty or anything, I just find it hard to believe that I'm being accused of having a fake resume. It's rather hurtful. I know Wharton's hard to get into and I'm not expecting that I'll just automatically get in.</p>

<p>Just out of curiosity, what schools are you guys currently attending or looking at?</p>

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<p>Point Blank--your resume should be ONE PAGE. Your academic awards are fluff and mean nothing outside of your high school. These are just print out "end of the year" acknowledgements. National Honor Society--great. Debate--great. Girl Scouts--great but emphasize the Leadership aspect (Are you a leader for a younger group of girls?) Forget about summer camp info. You have very good grades so focus on that. Limit your resume to ONE Powerful and to the point page. Also, you don't need to include a list of your honors courses. This info will be on your application.</p>

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<p>Oprah! is right. MANY girls to GirlScouts. Yes, it shows leadership and dedication, but it doesn't stick out; it's not unique and colleges see that A LOT.</p>

<p>You shouldn't put awards from school clubs/camps on your resume, because they are close to worthless, but you have some other good stuff :]</p>

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<p>Thanks nysmile. I'm actually senior ambassador to the girl scout board of directors for my council, which means I speak on behalf of 27,000 girl scouts. In terms of leading younger girls that's generally part of my duties where I go to younger troop meetings to discuss what older girl scouting is all about. I'm hoping to incorporate girl scouting into my school clubs by hosting badge workshops for younger girl scouts this year. I also worked as a program aide and counselor-in-training at girl scout camp, so I was in charge of girl scouts during that time.</p>

<p>My resume sections include: academic awards, student organizations, girl scouting: leadership, music, volunteer work, and summer activities. I'll definitely work on condensing the resume, so thanks for the advice and encouragement :-).</p>

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<p>On your resume: Start with Academics--National Honor Society, Are you an AP Scholar?. Forget about school class awards. List your AP classes and AP test scores (not vertically, but horizontally), unweighted and weighted gpa, your ACT composite (no need to break it down), and/or your SAT total/2400, and your class rank (if your school ranks). Then you can add a heading such as Additional Education Experiences. Here you can mention participation in any "different" school related experience such as a school trip to France, Spain, etc. or if your particpated in a CPR certification class. Then, move onto your EC's. List band, debate, and national honor society and include your role in each. For instance--Debate Team--Grades 9-12. Captain-Grades 10-12.
Do the same for Band and National Honor Society. Then, move onto the Girl Scouts Heading. Make it short. Mention--Silver Award, Gold Award, Leadership Award, and Ambassador. Then, move onto Community Service heading. This is where you can list some of your Girl Scout activities that impact the community such a leading younger girls. End with Work Experience heading if you have had part time jobs. You can use your personal essay to explain your Girl Scout experience and how it has helped to make you the person you are today. Emphasize--LEADERSHIP, confidence, etc. Good Luck.</p>