<p>w1cked What's your point? Are you attacking me or the US education system?</p>
<p>w1cked is a bigot and an asian supremacist.</p>
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<p>w1cked also doesn't seem to have a life. According to a quick skim through his/her post history, he or she has posted several times each hour for the past eight hours straight. It seems that other past days have gone the same way. Do you really spend like all your time sitting at your computer?</p>
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Its kids like you that lend the OP's claims credibility.
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<p>Well, w1cked, its Asians like you who reinforce Americans' claims that Asians only sit at home at the computer for hours straight and don't get out into the real world.</p>
<p>Ok, you can't attack the argument, so you have to attack the person. I think I have more of a life than you, since I; played paintball, went to the movies, went to a friend's house, went to a bbq, and went to a school sponsored concert over the last two days. What did you do within the last two days except jerking off to gay bestiality, buddy boy? Get into the real world? I do more meaningful activities than your average American. I have work, friends, I work out..but I am honored you would take your precious time out to look through my message history.</p>
<p>Mah first of all the Chinese constitution is amazingly well written. You would be surprised at some of the things in there. Yes there is explicit protection of people's rights. However the problem is that the constitution is like never used in the court...which kind of makes it useless. Also corporal punishment is banned in China as far as I know. Its been illegal for many years. Basically it comes down to the US system functions more on giving students more options on what they should learn while the Chinese (aka Asian) way is much more tests dependant. People can argue which way is better, I like the US way since I can play like 5 hours of video games a day. China isnt even the extreme example, South Korea and Japan are both tighter in terms of education than China.</p>
<p>Anyway I can understand where the OP is coming from. American students are "disrespectful" of the teachers. Well, depends on your definition of disrespectful. In China (SK and Japan too I believe) you shouldnt talk back at the teacher and during class you should have your arms folded in front of you on the desk. In classes at my school people can go slump all over their desks lol (a few are even asleep since AP is over). When the teacher talks to them they do show respect, but for people in you can say a totalitarian education system I think it will borderline "disrespectful".</p>
<p>Also I do believe that "cunning" isnt something that should be learned in school lol. The problem the US education system is that it is still rooted in the post WWII era. Students are not really held accountable for their education because there is always a social safety net. Well that net is going to be gone soon with the competition overseas. Companies dont move offshore only because the labor is dirt cheap. If they want such cheap labor they can go to Africa. What China and India offers are skilled workforce willing to work for low pay. Note the word: "skilled". The US cant count on controlling over half the world's wealth for another century, thus the US govt is trying to do what it can to promote education. </p>
<p>The whole argument here is way too stereotypical. China has china's problems, the US has US's problems. Basically it comes down to China (SK and Japan) included should focus less on the core academics while the US should focus more. As for Azn competition I got to laugh at this. When there is like tens of millions if not approaching hundreds of millions of high school students fighting for the spots in like a couple good universities, of course there is intense competition. All your life comes down to a week of testing...now thats intense lol compared to the SATs.</p>
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Ok, you can't attack the argument, so you have to attack the person.
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<p>Haven't you been doing the same thing?</p>
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I think I have more of a life than you, since I; played paintball, went to the movies, went to a friend's house, went to a bbq, and went to a school sponsored concert over the last two days.
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<p>Awww. Aren't you so accomplished? I'm just so impressed by you! Do you want a medal? That sure is a lot to do in two days when you've been posting several times each hour in what seem to be eight to nine hour solid blocks of time...</p>
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What did you do within the last two days except jerking off to gay bestiality, buddy boy?
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<p>Um... I didn't even know there was such a thing, but thanks for informing me...?</p>
<p>Is that how you insult someone effectively? Make allusions to homosexuality and bestiality? First of all, there's nothing wrong with homosexuality, even though you like to use it as an insult (how mature of you). Second of all, I made no remark nearly as coarse as bestiality, yet you seem to randomly bring it up. </p>
<p>That's just sort of sick, dude. That didn't offend me personally, as it was stunningly weak and immature, but it was rather unnecessarily coarse and bizarre.</p>
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I do more meaningful activities than your average American.
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<p>Talk about making sweeping generalizations... <em>rolls eyes</em></p>
<p>Cavalier is right. You ARE a bigot.</p>
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I am honored you would take your precious time out to look through my message history.
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<p>Nah, you shouldn't be. It took like ten seconds. You really have extremely little to be honored about.</p>
<p>**But talk about overreacting and making a fool out yourself, w1cked. How nice you go to, um, paintball sessions. How clever to use "gay bestiality" (???) as an insult. How educated you seem by insisting that you lead a more meaningful life than the average American... as if you could gauge every American's life, form a composite average and then judge yourself by it... </p>
<p>Do all Asians fly off the handle and resort to making coarse, homophobic insults, gross generalizations and empty boasts of what they've done when they've been moderately insulted... or is it just you? Question for the ages, it really is.**</p>
<p>Oh, thanks for giving me so much importance by writing a nice long reply :). You still haven't mentioned what your overbearingly important activities are. It seems like I hit a nerve about your activities, and thus you somehow feel the need to defend yourself by typing in bold and making bad jokes. Its you flying off the handle kid.</p>
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<p>Well, first of all, all the activities you mentioned weren't actually "accomplishments" as you seem to think they are. Every American goes to the movies, eats BBQs, goofs around and goes to concerts. For many Americans, those are rather mundane and easy activities that no one would feel are important or "accomplishments." Maybe in your life its different...?</p>
<p>So, in essence, I just finished another year at college and have been doing exactly what you've been doing this summer. Going to movies, meeting friends, eating out, etc. The difference? I don't treat it like its big freaking proof that I have a life, unlike you do.</p>
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thus you somehow feel the need to defend yourself by typing in bold and making bad jokes.
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<p>I actually haven't been making jokes. Or even defending myself. I have been insulting you, though. </p>
<p>You're the one who made a "gay bestiality" joke. I don't know how much worse and in bad taste it can get after that.</p>
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thanks for giving me so much importance by writing a nice long reply
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<p>The nice long reply took about three minutes to write. This reply, by the time its posted, would have taken about two. </p>
<p>Don't flatter yourself, little one. No one's really spending THAT much time on you.</p>
<p>No one, valentino, save for you. Did I ever say those were accomplishments? Sorry to disappoint you, but that happens to be about my average weekend. Seems like you are getting just a bit touchy. If you consider your childish remarks insulting, I feel just a tad pity for you.</p>
<p>oh man, this argument is getting out of control...</p>
<p>sheesh.</p>
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Seems like you are getting just a bit touchy. If you consider your childish remarks insulting, I feel just a tad pity for you.
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<p>They haven't been insulting? Then why do you keep replying? Why did you accuse me of masturbating to gay bestiality (???) as a insulting retort? Weird...</p>
<p>Oh, and you're right, it wasn't "accomplished" that you used to describe your activities. It was actually "meaningful."</p>
<p>Well, please know the princple behind my response still stands. Most Americans do the same things you do-- paintball, movies, friends, BBQs. And they don't believe it as meaningful as simply part of their everyday life. But I guess for your life a paintball game is a mark of "meaningfulness.'</p>
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oh man, this argument is getting out of control...
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<p>Oh, I totally agree firewalker. The argument got totally out of control when w1cked began remarks that smacked of how much better one culture is than another.</p>
<p>"Skills to come up with an incorrect answer despite having the best resources at hand? Thats pretty sad."</p>
<p>give any american google (created by an american), ask him a question and he will find the correct answer.</p>
<p>Ok back to the subject at hand....after reading people's posts on China, I feel somewhat disouraged to study abroad there. It seems like I would be learning at a place where individual opinions aren't respected. Will there be more freedom of thought in CHinese colleges than in elementary/high school?</p>
<p>well i think it all comes down to the fact that no one in their right mind would want to live in such a cruel, censoring dictatorship that supports mao zedong and oppression, over a country where you are free and have the ability to do anything you want (even if you dont agree with the government)</p>
<p>hey TourGuide446- READ. I'm a U.S. citizen, born in the U.S. So technically, this IS "[my] own country" and "home". </p>
<p>You know, those phrases you use remind me of the time when this black guy and his Mexican friend poorly used racism as their last resort of insult against me when we had a... "disagreement". Phrases like "get back on the boat you came in" and "get out of our country and go back to China or wherever you came from". I think those insults might've hurt a bit if either of them were actually true.</p>
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DO something with it in your own country. You make so many other countries richer and better with your presence...why can't you do the same thing at home?
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<p>Is this statement directed at first generation immigrants only? Because you know, unless you're a Native American, everyone emigrated to the U.S. at one point or another. Most of these immigrants left their countries for a better life here. They come for the business opportunity, not for the education. I'm sure your parents or their parents however many generations back must have immigrated from some country too. So don't tell people to go back to "their" country unless you're willing to do the same.</p>
<p>stonecold23, I agree.</p>
<p>Sweet Ambrosia- if you want to study abroad, go to Taiwan. Life there is infinitely better than it is in China.</p>
<p>Sweet Ambrosia, it isnt as bad as you think lol. You probably wont notice the difference between a US college and a Chinese one. You shouldnt go around yelling at your professors...but then you wouldnt be doing that inthe US either. Generally in college it is pretty loose. Even in like elementery and middle school it isnt like you are living under the Nazis. Basically some disciplain like how you should sit in class, shouldnt look out the windows and stuff. I moved to the US when i was like 7 and I really didnt notice too much difference in schooling. Iv kept in touch with some friends from grade school and life sounds just the same for me as for them. So i wouldnt worry about it too much.</p>
<p>Stonecold, if you have no clue what you are talking about dont talk lol. For one thing not many young Chinese people are head over heals in love with Mao. Also the chances of you being detained and tortured is way overblown. If you go to China (which I doubt you have else you wont be saying nonsense) you wont notice any censorships. It is when you are actually looking for it when you find it. Generalizations like this is what turned this thread into a flame war.</p>
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You probably wont notice the difference between a US college and a Chinese one. Generally in college it is pretty loose. Even in like elementery and middle school it isnt like you are living under the Nazis. If you go to China you wont notice any censorships. It is when you are actually looking for it when you find it.
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<p>Eh... so college in China is pretty much the same as college in the US? Have YOU actually been to college in the US? I don't think it's like any other country's higher educational system, anywhere, let alone China. How's the frat and sorority scene in China, by the way? Yeah...</p>
<p>And, um, about not noticing censorships unless you go looking for them... for Americans, that's actually a BIG deal. When even your simple GOOGLE.com searches are censored, that's really, really obvious, let alone books, movies, TV shows etc.</p>
<p>To Americans, censorship is a very big deal and is very closely scrutinized and judged. I think you don't really have a grasp at the differences between American and Chinese education... Like I said, China doesn't even have free Google searches, for goodness sake.</p>
<p>Sofaking, it wasn't directed at you or any other Chinese-Americans...it was directed at those now in China and those defending the superiority of the Chinese education system. I don't see how anything will change there if the people see it as a better option to just leave than to stay and change things. And if the education system there is such that they can point out Nepal on a map but don't have the ability to bring the country out of its draconian past, then what good is it?</p>
<p>PLZ do not make this thread into some racist/political bashing argument. We're here to compare education systems. One reason I love American education system is because of all the 2nd chances it gives. I was a bum in HS and if it weren't for its flexible system I wouldn't be going to grad school. If I was in China I would be placed into some trade school making low wages and would never reach my potential. I can understand why China's education is the way it is. Not every country has the resources the US does. I do believe Chinese education is better K-12 in general(they lack creativity).</p>
<p>For one thing, Chinese people dont use Google. For another, yeah Iv been to a Chinese college a few times when I went to visit relatives and did a few articles for a newspaper. There isnt much like frats or sorority in Chinese colleges...but then how many people in US colleges are actually in them? Generally its pretty similar. </p>
<p>Also do read my previous posts blah, I said Chinese and US education system is alot different. The similar part is school life (at least in cities). You go out with friends, you watch a movie or two, do the school work etc etc. Comes back to my point no one will notice the censors unless they look for it. How many students do you think will be googling the Tiananmeng Square massacre? Not many. Not to mention the censorship is nowhere as tight as the gov't hope it to be. If you want info and you want it badly, you will get it one way or another.</p>
<p>Anyway before ppl start a new flame war going "OMG YOU COMMUNIST". Lets just say that my great grandparents were killed by them. Im not supporting the Chinese government, just that life in China isnt that much different from life in the US. Sure, there are people who are being tortured for having different political views. However the chances of that happening to a college student is very very low. I would gladly concede my point if a college student from China posts how they have been tortured by the gov't. I doubt there are many if any at all.</p>
<p>VTjas81 have some good points. In china if you fail you fail, in the US you will be given a second chance. There are only like 5-6 great colleges in China vs nearly hundreds in the US. Anyway I doubt anyone can prove one system is better than the other since there are many shortcomings in both.</p>