<p>So...I talked to the ORMS (Operations Research and Management Science) advisor today about doing a simultaneous degree, and she says that it's impossible. "It doesn't exist, and we don't want to open it." </p>
<p>I was thinking...wow, you can do that? You can bar your students from pursuing a double major/simultaneous degree, even knowing that the requirements can be met? </p>
<p>Hm. </p>
<p>I was bummed. I had my schedule all planned out in an Excel spreadsheet and everything. </p>
<p>So guys...have you heard of anything like this before? I know ORMS is a capped major, but does that imply that simultaneous degrees are not allowed?</p>
<p>i’m not well informed in the area, but why don’t you try talking to the adviser of the other major you wish to pursue? maybe they will OK the simultaneous degree with ORMS, and then you can come back to the ORMS adviser and demand they sign your paper or else you’ll have higher authorities weigh in.</p>
<p>I’m not well versed in simultaneous major issues, but if it doesn’t work with ORMS, could you do something like IEOR or Statistics with an applied focus instead?</p>
<p>I’d rather not be in a bitter relationship with a potential adviser. Isn’t the major adviser the “higher authority” for her own department?</p>
<p>My major right now is Chemical Engineering with an IEOR minor. I have looked into the IEOR simultaneous degree, but with CoE’s prereq requirements differing from CoC’s and being stricter than L&S, I probably would not be able to finish in nine semesters, and they’re really strict on kicking you out after that. So troublesome sometimes, having ChemE not be in CoE.
As for math/statistics…might be a bit more difficult since there’s less overlap with ChemE courses, but I will look into it. Thanks for the advice. :)</p>
<p>no one said you had to have a peachy relationship with your adviser. its not like you’re dating the person. your relationship should be professional. </p>
<p>if you’re “in the right” (ie your other major adviser gave you the OK to double with ORMS) just assert your position respectfully. somehow i got the impression that you <em>were</em> in the right:
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<p>however from your last post it appears you are actually in the wrong (unless this is referring to IOER and not ORMS:
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<p>if you can’t finish in 9 semesters, you can’t do anything. if you could stay in undergrad as long as you wanted, you’d probably hear of more triple or quadruple majors. especially if the state is paying their tuition via financial aid. if you <em>can</em> finish in 8 semesters, i don’t understand why your adviser is being anal about a simultaneous degree. if this is the case (can finish in 8 sems) then i say you have every right to dispute your adviser barring you from pursuing your degree path. </p>
<p>but still, if you can’t stand up to your adamant adviser, i don’t see how you can plan to do anything else but to take her load on your face to be honest. crystal ball into the future perhaps if you dont balls up IMO, no offense</p>
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<p>That is probably why. Given budget cuts along with increased demand, they do not want you taking up space that so many other worthy potential students could use. Especially if you are getting state financial aid or are an in-state resident paying the lower in-state subsidized tuition and fees.</p>
<p>I think the nine semesters thing is for IEOR and ChemE.</p>
<p>Are you within all limits for ORMS and ChemE? If so, you should really take up the issue with someone…</p>
<p>This is weird…I have a friend who is planning on doing a simultaneous degree with ORMS and Haas. He is already declared for ORMS and just got into Haas this year.</p>
<p>The ORMS advisor is lying because it’s one of the most selective majors on campus due to the limited number of seats. She pulled the same crap with me.</p>
<p>I would not reasonably be able to finish IEOR in CoE because of CoE’s prerequisites (I satisfy CoC’s prereqs for ChemE since they take more of my AP credits)–I can legitimately finish ORMS in L&S in time. </p>
<p>The ORMS advisor actually told me straight up, “no” before I even got to present my schedule or anything else to her. </p>
<p>“I wanted to talk to you about getting a simultaneous degree in ORMS.”
“That’s impossible.” </p>
<p>And the conversation was cut short with her basically saying there is no way to do a simultaneous degree in ORMS. </p>
<p>Maybe if you are already in ORMS, it’s simple to to do a second major. Not the other way around? This sucks. -___- I’m just going to end up taking extra IEOR classes for my own interest and not have an official certification for it other than the IEOR minor.
…nothing I can do? I’m under the impression that the ORMS adviser has the final say for the major she overseers. What does she care what my ChemE advisers say?</p>
<p>Well, your advisor is right in that you’re wasting tons of time trying to figure out how to get a double major when it probably doesn’t matter. I haven’t seen a single reason for why you want to do this. If you’re trying to get into grad school, research is the most important thing. If you want to get a job, you should be hustling for interviews.</p>
<p>you’re really sounding like you don’t want the degree.</p>
<p>at least <em>try</em> to convince her. say you know ORMS majors who do simult. degrees. contrary to her information. remind her that YOU are paying HER paycheck, and she should give you a legitimate reason (one that isn’t “we just don’t do simult. degrees here in ORMS, sorry” because that’s not true to a full degree).</p>
<p>again you don’t need to have an upset tone or anything, but be you have to be assertive and address her with the attitude “i respect you, but you’re wrong, and i’m right.” even if you’re not right, at least you’ll understand why you’re wrong and not just feel like a victim who got oppressed by a mean ORMS adviser. you posted this thread on CC because you felt that way, right?</p>
<p>but either way, if you’re not down to do that then that’s okay too. you could just go with the flow, it’s your call. depends how much you value the simultaneous degree, really.</p>
<p>I apologize for not providing my life story concerning why I want a second degree–that is not the point of this thread, and I didn’t want to post something that would end up tl;dr. The intent of this thread was to gather information about the limits/exceptions (if any) for simultaneous degrees. </p>
<p>If you want a relatively short answer for why I want the second degree–I want more job options. IEOR gives you many job options. I became terrified, realizing that many graduating ChemE seniors do not have a choice for the location of their work. “I’m leaving for ____…I really want to come back to California some day…” I know that not 100% of ChemE jobs requires relocation to less-than-ideal places, but the situations I’ve seen are enough for me to worry about it and seek other career paths if possible.
I also have a personal interest for IEOR. While choosing a major, it came down to ChemE or IEOR, and regardless of whether this second degree pans out, I am taking and will take more IEOR classes. </p>
<p>“…wasting tons of time…”
I am a second-year student. I have been in a research lab since February 2010. I have been invited for three interviews thus far for summer intern positions. I am a UGSI for Chem 4B. If you thought that this second degree business was consuming my life…well, I hope that I’ve convinced you otherwise. </p>
<p>…and here we’re straying from topic. </p>
<p>After talking to advisers and professors for IEOR and ORMS, I was willing to let go of the formal degree, thinking that it wouldn’t matter so much as long as I demonstrated that I knew my material. Not having to bother with the prereqs for a full degree is cool, too.
We’ll see if I pursue this any further… </p>
<p>Thanks for your posts~</p>
<p>Why didn’t you show her your planned sched? Is there more than one advisor in the major (maybe even peer advisors there?) whom you could talk to? like crow said, just be respectful, but ask why it’s impossible. She can’t/shouldn’t deny you an explanation and if she does, go to the LS office and ask there.</p>
<p>You’re a UGSI for Chem 4B? As far as I know, there’s only one female GSI for that course. Hmm :)</p>
<p>The Chem 4B (lab) GSI? Not me. Don’t freak her out, haha. </p>
<h2>I am the only female UGSI. There are four total UGSIs in CoC – two for the Chem 4 series, two for the Chem 112 series. We lead the Chem Scholars discussion sections. </h2>
<p>I was thrown off guard when the advisor straight-up said “It’s impossible.” Did not see that coming, and she sounded so absolute…
I might go to a general L&S advisor just to see if there are majors that do not allow external students to declare simultaneous degrees. If I were really stubborn, I’m guessing I could drop out of ChemE, declare ORMS, then add ChemE again. Fun.</p>