Ann Coulter, '84, mocks Keith Olbermann,'79, for graduating from CALS

Colleges and Universities A-Z Cornell University
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<p>Ann Coulter has a column of potential interest Cornellians. </p>

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...I would venture to say that the students at Goodling's law school at Regent University are far more impressive than those at the Cornell agriculture school -- the land-grant, non-Ivy League school Keith attended.</p>

<p>I wouldn't mention it, except that Olbermann savages anyone who didn't go to an impressive college. As it happens, he didn't go to an impressive college, either.</p>

<p>If you've ever watched any three nights of his show, you know that Olbermann went to Cornell. But he always forgets to mention that he went to the school that offers classes in milking and bovine management.</p>

<p>Indeed, Keith is constantly lying about his nonexistent "Ivy League" education, boasting to Playboy magazine, for example: "My Ivy League education taught me how to cut corners, skim books and take an idea and write 15 pages on it, and also how to work all day at the Cornell radio station and never actually go to class."</p>

<p>Except Keith didn't go to the Ivy League Cornell; he went to the Old MacDonald Cornell.</p>

<p>The real Cornell, the School of Arts and Sciences (average SAT: 1,325; acceptance rate: 1 in 6 applicants), is the only Ivy League school at Cornell and the only one that grants a Bachelor of Arts degree.</p>

<p>Keith went to an affiliated state college at Cornell, the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences (average SAT: about that of pulling guards at the University of South Carolina; acceptance rate: 1 of every 1.01 applicants).</p>

<p>Olbermann's incessant lying about having an "Ivy League education" when he went to the non-Ivy League ag school at Cornell would be like a graduate of the Yale locksmithing school boasting about being a "Yale man"... </p>

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<p>a cornellian being elitist?</p>

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<p>The little respect I had...OH WAIT! I never had any respect for that pathetic excuse of a person.</p>

<p>Don't get me wrong, Olbermann is very ostentatious with his life, but this just goes way overboard.</p>

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<p>For Ann Coulter to mock her alma mater in this fashion is indicative of the fact that she is as nutty as a fruitcake. She is one of the very few Cornell alums who drags the cachet of the great university — her university — down.</p>

<p>CALS is, of course, arguably at the head of the Ivy pack in the biological sciences. And it is of course a fully fledged member of Cornell University, and to the particular notable sports conference to which it belongs.</p>

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<p>It's Ann Coulter, you know she just has to keep upping the bar as more and more people stop thinking she's funny and just stop listening.</p>

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Keith went to an affiliated state college at Cornell, the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences (average SAT: about that of pulling guards at the University of South Carolina; acceptance rate: 1 of every 1.01 applicants).

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<p>CALS must have higher stats than Ann indicates here, but the stats are readily found at neither the CALS</a> admissions site, nor College</a> Navigator.</p>

<p>What are the comparable SAT's, % admitted, and Top 10% of HS class stats between the CAS and CALS? Would stats differ for Keith's Communications major in comparison to other majors at CALS?</p>

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<p>2012 Admittance Rates (per Wikipedia)</p>

<p>CAS: 18.35%
CALS: 21.89% </p>

<p>The college with the lowest acceptance rate is AAP, at 15.48%. Goshdarnit.</p>

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<p>She continues:
'Now you won't have to quickly change the subject whenever people idly remark that they didn't know it was possible to major in "communications" at an Ivy League school. '</p>

<p>They do, of course, offer communications at Penn...</p>

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<p>FRESHMAN</a> ADMISSIONS STATISTICS BY COLLEGE, Fall 2008</p>

<p>.............................Agriculture & LifeSciences...........Arts & Sciences
Applicants......................... 4,697................. ............15,474</p>

<p>Accepted........................... 1,028.................... ..........2,840</p>

<p>Attending.............................640..................... ..........1,068</p>

<p>% Accepted.........................21.9%.............................18.35%</p>

<p>Yield................................... 62.2%..............................37.6%</p>

<p>The outsized yield of CALS suggests that at CALS, to a much greater extent than CAS, Cornell was the best college at which CALS admits were accepted. There will likely be a greater difference in SAT 25-75% and top 10% of HS class between CALS and CAS than reflected in the % admitted.</p>

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<p>omg what a who*re! lol</p>

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<p>seriously though.. i don't understand why she would write stuff that she clearly knows isn't true... i'm confused... or maybe it was tonight's episode of LOST.. now I don't know what to do... i'm going to sleep.</p>

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They do, of course, offer communications at Penn...

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<p>True....</p>

<p>Annenberg</a> School For Communication at the University of Pennsylvania</p>

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Without even looking it up, I am confident that Harvard, Yale and Princeton do not offer degrees in "communications."

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<p>Aha, Princeton has an *Office[/i</a>] of Communications!</p>

<p>So, if Ann is correct, Keith will focus any rebuttal he can muster on these mistakes of Ann's.</p>

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These small-time opportunities to show off by correcting someone else's teeny-tiny mistakes are the lifeblood of Olbermann's MSNBC show, "Countdown."

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<p>The fact that she uses a string of lies to tell jokes is fine (everything she said about CALS was incorrect), but the fact that people actually believe she is speaking the truth is downright scary.</p>

<p>What an ignorant woman. I don't care her politics. She's just ignorant. Even the conservative National Review dropped her because the editor said that the deeper you probe into her the scarier it gets.</p>

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<p>what about this "mistake":</p>

<p>"average SAT: about that of pulling guards at the University of South Carolina; acceptance rate: 1 of every 1.01 applicants"</p>

<p>why would she even write that... it just sounds so childish... and I would hate it if people believed her lies.. that's just nuts</p>

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<p>She writes and performs stuff she thinks will entertain, outrage, validate, insult, or otherwise get a reaction/response from her audience. She is not a journalist.She is a "Shock Jock". Truth has little to do with her work. Love her or hate her, she has won if you do not ignore her. </p>

<p>I am glad I live in America where she and people like her, some of whom are from the opposite end of the political spectrum, can have their say. I also like being free to ignore her. </p>

<p>She went to Cornell? Gosh, there is a stench upon Cayuga's waters.</p>

<p>Note; Pulling guards at the University of South Carolina were and are recruited to fill a need at that university. 200 more point on their SAT's would get them into an IVY. This gripes the butts of the pseudointellectual's on this board but they know this is true. </p>

<p>My God! Just thinking about Ann Coulter destroys civility!!!</p>

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<p>She is a disgusting human being. I don't think she believes what comes out of her mouth.</p>

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<p>"I would venture to say that the students at Goodling's law school at Regent University [founded by PAT ROBERTSON] are far more impressive than those at the Cornell agriculture school -- the land-grant, non-Ivy League school Keith attended. "</p>

<p>"If you've ever watched any three nights of his show, you know that Olbermann went to Cornell. But he always forgets to mention that he went to the school that offers classes in milking and bovine management. "</p>

<p>"Indeed, Keith is constantly lying about his nonexistent "Ivy League" education
The real Cornell, the School of Arts and Sciences (average SAT: 1,325; acceptance rate: 1 in 6 applicants), is the only Ivy League school at Cornell and the only one that grants a Bachelor of Arts degree."</p>

<p>"Keith went to an affiliated state college at Cornell, the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences (average SAT: about that of pulling guards at the University of South Carolina; acceptance rate: 1 of every 1.01 applicants)."</p>

<p>"Olbermann's incessant lying about having an "Ivy League education" when he went to the non-Ivy League ag school at Cornell would be like a graduate of the Yale locksmithing school boasting about being a "Yale man.""</p>

<p>"I know there is no "communications" major at the Ivy League Cornell."</p>

<p>"Now you won't have to quickly change the subject whenever people idly remark that they didn't know it was possible to major in "communications" at an Ivy League school. "</p>

<p>"Finally, you can stop pretending that you went to the hard-to-get-into Cornell."</p>

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<p>I have the following things to say.
« The real Cornell, the School of Arts and Sciences [...] is the only Ivy League school at Cornell and the only one that grants a Bachelor of Arts degree.*»</p>

<p>1) Cornell University College of Agriculture & Life Sciences is in the Ivy League.
2) So are Human Ecology, Veterinary Studies and Industrial-Labor Relations. Just because they receive public funding does not mean they are not in the Ivy League.
2b) Also, what's wrong with a public school? - Perhaps it is, in fact, Coulter who is the arrogant snob.
3) Hotel Administration, the best in the world, Law (UNWR #12), Engineering (8), Business (14), Medical Sciences (18), Architecture, Art, and Planning (#1 Almanac of Architecture and Design), and graduate school are not in the Ivy League, even though they are private.
4) There is no School of Arts & Sciences at Cornell. There is a College of Arts & Sciences. Coulter should know this. She did go there for four years.</p>

<p>« the land-grant, non-Ivy League school »
5) Cornell University is a land grant school. All of Cornell is a land-grant school. Including the "Ivy League" part Coulter went to. Cornell was founded by a NYS law designating it to be NYS's land grant school.</p>

<p>« School [sic] of Arts and Sciences (average SAT: 1,325; acceptance rate: 1 in 6 applicants)
College of Agriculture and Life Sciences (average SAT: about that of pulling guards at the University of South Carolina; acceptance rate: 1 of every 1.01 applicants)»</p>

<p>6) CALS's acceptance rate is 21%. CAS's... sorry, "SAS"'s is 18%. That 3% makes a substantial difference.
7) It takes a person of distinct intelligence and cultural awareness to put a comma in an SAT score.</p>

<p>« Keith went to an affiliated state college at Cornell, the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences »</p>

<p>8) CALS is a private college that receives state funding, not a state college.
8b) Why would that matter to Coulter if it is, in fact, Olbermann who is the snob?</p>

<p>"If you've ever watched any three nights of his show, you know that Olbermann went to Cornell. But he always forgets to mention that he went to the school that offers classes in milking and bovine management. "</p>

<p>9) Cornell University College of Agriculture and Life Sciences has what is very likely the best biological sciences programme in the country.
10) In between bovine management, there is also the business classes. Cornell's undergrad business degrees are all administered by CALS.</p>

<p>« I know there is no "communications" major at the Ivy League Cornell. »</p>

<p>11) Perhaps, you know, Olbermann picked CALS because they offer communications and he planned on working in, you know, communications.
12) Maybe CAS doesn't have Comm. because CALS already does.</p>

<p>« Now you won't have to quickly change the subject whenever people idly remark that they didn't know it was possible to major in "communications"
at an Ivy League school. »</p>

<p>13) Of course it's not possible. There isn't an entire school of communications at Penn.</p>

<p>« Finally, you can stop pretending that you went to the hard-to-get-into Cornell. »</p>

<p>14) cf. CALS's admission rate</p>

<p>15) Olbermann entered Cornell when he finished high school at age 16, and was graduated from Cornell as age 20. Clearly, he was looking for the easy way in.</p>

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<p>i think coulter's comment reflects accurately on the self-conscious pride that each school on this campus has...</p>

<p>i think cornell can still improve on its image by emphasizing 1 Cornell and not a multi-school program...</p>

<p>other schools have various colleges/schools too but it seems like only Cornell suffers from this "is it really ivy?" OR "it's a suny school at cornell" </p>

<p>anyone want to work on a campaign of solidarity among cornellians? PM me </p>

<p>we could have shirts that say MANY STUDENTS, ONE CORNELL (something to that effect)</p>

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The fact that she uses a string of lies to tell jokes is fine (everything she said about CALS was incorrect), but the fact that people actually believe she is speaking the truth is downright scary.

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<p>This is also why I am conflicted about the recommendation of some CC members to “never feed the trolls.” I have come to the conclusion that obviously bogus, though outrageous, statements should simply be ignored, but what of the specious posts that can give the false appearance of correctness? It is in the interest of the CC community that specious type posts be countered. Of course, writings of pseudo-journalists like Coulter have an even greater need to be countered, due to the size of the audience that will be reached. It is disgraceful just how crooked and duplicitous certain prominent people in the media can be, and Ann Coulter is at the head of this ignoble list of shame.</p>

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<p>Coulter is an idiot. Unfortunately we like to give her the attention just so that we can rip her a new one every couple of months. Even more unfortunately, she attended Cornell.</p>