Another approach to Merit Aid

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george washington?</p>

<p>and the georgetown ones are all jesuit schools, how about some non jesuit schools

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<p>I'm not sure about their merit aid, but George Mason and UMd-College Park are Virginia and Maryland public schools respectively, so their OOS tuition would be less than GW, and they are pretty close to DC if that is partly what's attractive. There's also American U (in DC), and their online application is free IIRC, so you could see what aid you get. Practically all the seniors I know applied because it's free and the aid offers seemed pretty generous to me. Georgetown and GW are both very expensive but from what I understand it seems like if you had high grades and SATs you can get a half tuition at GW. It's also half tuition for the second child AFAIK so if you have a sibling entering college soon after you that could be attractive too.</p>

<p>What about </p>

<p>"If your kid loves Barnard, check out _________ and ___________."</p>

<p>if your kid loves Barnard (and not just for NYC and Columbia) check out <strong><em>Scripps</em></strong>**, Agnes Scott and maybe Mills.</p>

<p>If your kid loves Penn State (good engineering & honors program, big football-rah, rah kind of school, but with lousy merit aid - especially for OOS students), then consider Clemson University (very similar, but much better merit aid - my OOS kid rec'd waiver of tuition differential).</p>

<p>my2angels, How is your S going home from Clemson? What transportation options are available to the NY area? Thanks.</p>

<p>He will probably fly home for holidays - from either Greenville or Charlotte (if he can hitch a ride). Still seeing how that goes.</p>

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If your child loves U of Chicago, also look at:
Brandeis
Case
Rice
Emory
U of Rochester
Wesleyan
Reed

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<p>In what way those schools might be "the substitutes" for UofC? :-)</p>

<p>I know that Brandeis gives some merit-based scholarships, but don't know what is similar to UofC there. I know Reed as "intellectually charged" school, but it doesn't give any merit money. I don't know much about other institutions listed above on either of those aspects (except the fact that U of Rochester is generally a good school and has Eastman Music school).</p>

<p>Rice and Emory is out of question for us - they are "deep South". ;-) By the way - should we concider geographical factor when comparing "similar" schools? Can the schools in totally different climate, with different surrounding nature, landscape and local mentality be concidered as "similar"? :-)</p>

<p>Chicago substitutes?</p>

<p>Columbia (the one in NYC, not the one in Chicago...) has a core.</p>

<p>Hopkins is similarly intense.</p>

<p>BYU probably has less drinking and partying (just kidding....sorry BYU fans, no insult intended)</p>

<p>(full disclosure: My D will start her 3rd year at Chicago this fall.)</p>

<p>What is BYU?</p>

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What is BYU?

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<p>Oh dear. </p>

<p>BYU = Brigham Young University. It is a place of rather unique culture, as it is founded by, sponsored by, and run by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, more commonly known as the Mormons.</p>

<p>If you assumed that BYU discourages some kinds of extracurricular activities that are common on other campuses, you would be correct. </p>

<p>Here are some excerpts from their "honor code" which sounds a lot like a behaviour code to me:

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Abstain from alcoholic beverages, tobacco, tea, coffee, and substance abuse" </p>

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<li><p>Abstain from Alcoholic Beverages. Any consumption of alcohol, in any form, is a breach of the Honor Code. The following are examples of serious noncompliant behavior related to alcohol use:</p>

<pre><code> 1. Being present where alcohol is being consumed by others
2. Personal consumption of alcohol socially or as a consequence of alcoholism
3. Furnishing alcohol to others
4. Having alcohol in one's apartment
</code></pre></li>
<li><p>Substance Abuse. Board policy requires dismissal on the first offense of drug use, except when the only contact with a drug is limited and where the student confesses and initiates repentance before disciplinary action is begun (see BYU Drug-Free School Policy).</p>

<p>Abusing substances other than illicit drugs is likewise not permitted at BYU. We want to avoid anything like a drug culture in our campus environment.</p></li>
<li><p>Abstain from Tea, Coffee, and Tobacco. The worldwide expectation is that Latter-day Saints do not smoke, drink, or use tea and coffee, so BYU students, as representatives of the LDS Church, do not.</p>

<p>Personal interpretations which go beyond this mark are not part of this policy.</p></li>
</ol>

<p>Drug testing</p>

<p>When there has been a report of a drug violation and there is supporting information, the student may be requested to take a drug test. Arrangements must be made for the test through the Health Center. A signed, witnessed, and dated Consent Agreement must be obtained. One copy goes to the Health Center. The original is placed in the student's file. The cost of the test will be paid by the student.</p>

<p>If the student refuses to take a drug test, the student will be informed that the university will make a determination of the student's status pursuant to an HCO investigation of the underlying facts and circumstances. The university cannot compel an individual to take a drug test. However, if the student refuses to take the test, an action will be selected based on information available.
Adhere to the dress and grooming standards</p>

<p>The dress and grooming of both men and women should always be modest, neat, and clean, consistent with the dignity of representing BYU and the LDS Church. Members of the BYU community commit themselves to observe the Dress and Grooming Standards outlined in the Honor Code.Beard Waiver Policy</p>

<p>The BYU Dress and Grooming Standards direct that personal grooming be "...consistent with the dignity of representing Brigham Young University and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." Consequently, the BYU Board of Trustees has specified that "Beards are not acceptable...." However, as clarified in this policy, reasonable accommodations may be granted to those individuals with "...certified medical or religious reasons."</p>

<p>Since beards are visibly noticeable, the granting of exceptions to grooming standards has potential to raise questions about individuals' Honor Code compliance. The student information sheet on Procedures for Approving a Beard Waiver Request explains procedures and criteria for approving beard waiver requests and conduct standards for those to whom waivers are granted.

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<p>I DO love the part that says "Since beards are visibly noticeable, the granting of exceptions to grooming standards has potential to raise questions about individuals' Honor Code compliance. " </p>

<p>So they say that they'll grant an exception to the beard policy and then hold it against the student!</p>

<p>MYau, I know a couple of kids at Brandeis who were deciding between it and U of C. Not a substitute..... but for kids who can get merit money there, it has some comparable elements with a lower sticker price (which was the point of the exercise.) They both attract kids who in general, are serious about academics, work hard, like being close to the cultural attractions of a big city while still having a campus core; a very broad range of lectures, performances, poetry readings, student run arts groups on campus, great grad school admit rates despite some rumored grade deflation. Plus hot in the summer, cold and snowy in the winter :).</p>

<p>There won't be perfect, cheaper analogues to every college in the country, but if your kid is in love w/U of C, Brandeis is closer to it than say UIUC, which may be the only financially do-able option for the family if the kid isn't eligible for much need-based aid at Chicago.</p>

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I DO love the part that says "Since beards are visibly noticeable, the granting of exceptions to grooming standards has potential to raise questions about individuals' Honor Code compliance. " </p>

<p>So they say that they'll grant an exception to the beard policy and then hold it against the student!

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<p>I take that to mean that once you have a waiver and are therefore in compliance with the honor code, all the other people on campus (not whoever is in charge or whatever) will see your beard and assume that you are not in compliance, so you'd have to show them your waiver or whatever the procedure is. It is badly worded though.</p>

<p>Thanks. :-)</p>

<p>How about Brown?</p>

<p>if your kid like williams or hamilton (or other small isolated liberal arts schools) check out Suny Geneseo (the NY honors college)</p>

<p>Based on my own experience (schools I applied to)</p>

<p>If your son/daughter likes Amherst, Haverford, Swarthmore, or Bowdoin, check out Dickinson</p>

<p>look at Swarthmore for its core.</p>

<p>I personally do not find Stanford to be comparable at all to Santa Clara U or Lehigh.
I like Stanford for its location, its education, its laid back vibe...
as far as I know, Santa Clara can't be compared at all in terms of education,
and Lehigh, well obviously PA is no CA.</p>

<p>My D is looking at Brown, but alternatives are Providence College with Honors Program, Wheaton College, and Boston College. Wheaton is kind of a nice small school alternative with a gorgeous campus halfway between Providence and Boston. D is also looking at Willamette. Not sure these are perfect alternatives - nothing was quite like Brown.</p>

<p>If you like Stanford you should also consider:
Columbia and *UCSB<a href="From%20%5Burl=http://college.mychances.net/view/?id=3&app=school%5Dthis%20page%5B/url%5D;%20I%20did%20not%20make%20this%20up!%20:D%20:D"&gt;/i&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>