Another Chances Thread, sorry =)

<p>I know you've all read this before but...
Stats:
PSAT 227
SAT 2200
ACT 32
GPA 3.9+ (unweighted)
Rank 3 out of 150 (but have the most demanding schedule of anyone in my class)</p>

<p>Awards:
Biology freshman year
Technology Integrated Education (TIE) sophomore and junior year
U.S. History junior year
School Excellence award sophomore year
Most well rounded junior by senior class</p>

<p>Extraciricular activities:
Pricipal oboe in syphonic band junior and senior year
English horn player in same freshman- senior year
Freshman class treasurer
Secretary of the Student Association 2nd semester sophmore year
President of the Student Association senior year
Youth-to-Youth club religious v.p junior year
Youth-to-Youth treasurer senior year
Treasurer of the Environmental club junior year
V.P. of the Environmental club senior year
P.R. secretary of Photography club junior year
V.P. of Photography club senior year
Teen Minister at local church junior and senior year
J.V. volleyball captian junior year
Member history club
Supporting role in school musical theater productions sophomore and junior year
Leading role in school musical theater production senior year</p>

<p>Community service:
concierge at a local hospital freshman year
volunteer cameraman at local evangelical broadcasting network
Short mission trip to Jamacia sophomore year
Short mission trip Hurricane Katrina area clean up junior year</p>

<p>I've taken all of the honors classes offered by my school, although no APs are offered.</p>

<p>probably won't make it, which in the end of life will be a good thing</p>

<p>Sorry dude, SATs are way too low... Major ECs are only clubs, church and band it seems.</p>

<p>SATs are a little low -_- but I think your ECs are good, but there isn't anything very competitive?</p>

<p>The Harvard rep we saw at a college fair claimed that test scores were wholly irrelevant, something about how the university was fine with anything in the top ten percentile on standardized tests. Since this would equate to roughly a 27 or 28 on an ACT, and whatever the equivalent of that is on the ACT, we were quite skeptical. We then asked if being a left-handed bongo playing skateboard champ of Tazmanian origin might help tilt the balance.</p>

<p>Honestly, it seems as if every super brainy kid in the country feels like he or she has to apply to Harvard just to prove how smart they are. Harvard admissions reps yawn at valedictorians and perfect SAT scores, having seen them so often as to render them commonplace. Given the luxury of an applicant pool teeming with geniuses, they turn their attention to creating their own academic utopia of diversity. In doing so, they've created an arbitrary admissions system fraught with absurdity.</p>

<p>Why should they care? They're Harvard.</p>

<p>Everything happens for a reason. If you don't get into Harvard, there are many other paths to take. Probably better ones, too.</p>

<p>Thank you for your time and comments. I have had summer school in Guatamala and a few other things that i think will make me a more interesting candidate, what I listed was sort of a general outline of what I've done. I'll work on my SAT scores.</p>

<p>he scored a 32 on the act, use those scores instead the SAT,</p>

<p>Your SAT score is definitely not "way too low"... it's borderline.
Retake it if you can raise it to 2250+. </p>

<p>I would say you have a fair shot. Your EC's are good, and your GPA and rank and great.</p>

<p>amen to ddjones =)</p>

<p>and yes 2200 is not way too low, since it doesn't make That much of a difference whether you get 2100 or 2300..</p>

<p>speaking from experience... i've joined many clubs and started a few of them myself, and have leadership positions in all of them (and they're competitive, i.e. - mock trial association). i thought that it would be quite impressive etc. however, i was in for a big surprise. having a long list of EC's really doesn't mean much to anyone in the end, maybe except yourself. it tends to show that you are Not concentrated and that you did it just for college (although personally i did it because i loved it, proven by my lack of thought and interest in college admissions/colleges until junior year). so remember that when applying.</p>

<p>i highly suggest you concentrate on a few of your EC's in participation and when applying.</p>

<p>There was someone this year from my school who got into Harvard, Princeton, and Stanford with SATs of 2200. She didn't really have any e.c.s except j.v. softball and didn't even take any honors math and science classes. However, she wrote a killer essay.</p>

<p>I was wondering, do essays count that much in the admissions process or was the reason she got into all of those schools because she is hispanic?</p>

<p>(I'm not trying to sound racist here, but im white and I'm kind of worried)</p>

<p>Can't imagine ethnic origin didn't at least play somewhat of a role in admissions, as it does everywhere else. As per essays, I'd think they'd matter a lot, if they can illustrate facets of people that might not be captured in a list of statistics. There are people with high GPA's and standardized test scores, who also accumulate an impressive list of EC's, who are wholly lacking in depth. There are, in fact, at least 7 frequently measured areas of intelligence, academics being only one of them. Just as there are hoardes of people out there boasting 2400's and 36's and valedictorian status who are just darned lucky the college admission folks have yet to come up with a standardized test of emotional intelligence...because they totally lack it.</p>

<p>A kid with a 2200 SAT, just as a kid with a 2400 SAT, can hack the academic workload at Harvard, which is what the tests are ostensibly supposed to predict. It is very possible, and in a lot of cases, probable, that the 2200 SAT may well have a firmer grasp on life and its meaning; have greater depth of character and tenacity; have a far better sense of people.</p>

<p>That is why the essays are so important on these applications. They are the only means an applicant has to convey these intangibles to admissions officials. The top notch universities of this country--Harvard not being the only one, by any stretch--are interested in far more than a students past, but in his or her future. Once one moves outside the walls of academia, it is those intangible qualities of vision, emotional intelligence and character that determine the success ultimately reached and the mark left on the world. Great universities do not attain their reputation by the mean scores of entering high school seniors, but by the number of great politicians, authors, artists and others who emerge to lead the next generation.</p>

<p>A Notre Dame professor of many years tenure once noted that he had spent enough years in the classroom to see what became of his students upon graduation. Many of them went on to become renowned in the country, and, in some cases, the world. The ones who reached such success and notoriety, he observed, were never the ones with the highest grades in his class. They were invariably the ones who had a certain way with people, a presence among others, that was noteworthy even then.</p>

<p>People obsess on these forums (myself included, to some extent, as I am, after all, on them too) because they are seeking answers which are, by and large, unknowable. Some post their stats because they are paranoid. Others post them because, quite frankly, they want others to read them. Most of the stats which are posted can, in some way, be enhanced through expenditures. Students can take courses or be tutored to increase SAT's or ACT's. Athletes and musicians go to camps and competitions. Where there is anxiety, there are a plethora of vendors willing, for a fee, to help raise that score or average. </p>

<p>What they cannot do is endow elite college aspirants with character, tenacity, emotional intelligence; as these are the products of a lifetime of experience and guidance. The irony is that so many kids are on such an absurd fast track at such an early age in order to get an edge in the laundry list of test scores and EC's that neither they, nor their parents, have the time to develop the intangible qualities that are not only the primary determinants of success, but of satisfaction with life.</p>

<p>So, to you, Stines, I say, don't sweat it. I'm gathering you are probably my daughter's age. You've spent 17 years, give or take, becoming the unique person you are. Put your stats on the line, and use your essay not as an opportunity to boast on a laundry list the admissions folks have already read, but to give them an insight into all those intangibles no test can measure. If race plays a factor, as we well know that it does, so be it. You know the kind of person you are from a lifetime of being it. Harvard can only know on the basis of dozen or so pages of application information. If they accept you, great. If they don't, it wasn't meant to be. </p>

<p>Don't forget to take the time to enjoy your senior year, too!</p>

<p>one thing that is interesting that i've noted through all these inspirational speeches (which in the beginning really did assure and inspire me) is that in the end, no one can deny that, no matter what, it is always the people with high stats who get in. the number of valedictorians are still a very large percentage of the acceptees and so are people with very high SAT scores (high 2200-2400).
^ however it is somewhat disappointing to me, because my grades are not that great compared to other harvard applicants.</p>

<p>i do agree that essays and personal statements such as interviews etc. are very important in the application process. unless you have the scores and grades, or unless your essay was Absolutely Phenonmenal, the grades and scores have to be there first. yes, usually it is the valedictorian who is also amazing in other areas.. such as the girl discussed in one of byerly's old posts</p>

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