<p>co?o: if your high school ranks, then it is a competition.</p>
<p>Glad my high school doesn't rank...</p>
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Only nerds look at it as a competition. Everytime I've done it (which is very often) I've never even thought about trying to get a higher grade than someone, it's always done simply to get a good grade. I don't give a **** about other people's grade. I'm more concerned with things that actually matter, and no, that's not who can score better on the oh so important high school chem exam or an algebra quiz. I think that says soemthing about you, and other people like you, that you'd assume it's always a competition.
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Yeah, um, unless your high school doesn't rank, it IS a competition. It's also a competition if the teacher curves... then your selfishness is hurting those around you. And the fact that you "don't give a ****" that your egotistical actions negatively affect others says a lot about you.</p>
<p>Hello integrity! I find it incredible people will so enthusiastically thump their chests loud and proud about their cheating habits and not only look down on hard-workers but attempt to undermine them with silly name-calling. Work smart? Oh come on, how about actually learning the material? How about grades representing how much effort you've put into the class? It's not about competition. It's not about the silly algebra quiz. It's about YOU being better prepared for your future endeavors. It's about learning how to study quickly and efficiently, especially in your weak areas. If you're going to cheat while in high school (and this is aimed not at the one-time cheat or life will end situations but the people here acting so flagrant about it), why not college? Why not then when your actually employed? It's just a little dishonesty after all, just enough to keep your life-style easy and secure. I mean hell, why not? <--- If you want to succeed in the things you pursue in life then yeah, it might actually take some work.
And don't get me wrong, I've frequently been on both sides of the academic high school survival game. Last year (junior year, most important year), I switched ADD meds for health reasons. And, of course, they were practically useless. I was failing, and not by CC means. My GPA went down an entire point (and no, it wasn't that high to begin with.) It was miserable. I got fed up with studying for hours with no results (my memory was so poor my friends even bought me a compass and map of the local area as a joke b-day gift as I was frequently lost- ending up hours away at times) that studying took more than a back seat. Of course I wanted to save face. Of course I wanted to just get-by academically but no, I didn't cheat. I didn't know the material. I didn't spend the time studying or doing the hw like my classmates. I didn't deserve the grades.
Cheating may seem like' working-smart' but speaking long-term (beyond those couple assignments/tests) it's incredibly ignorant and dimwitted.</p>
<p>And to the OP yes, it's cheating.</p>
<p>Interesting...I think I have to agree.</p>
<p>Just because your teacher didn't tell you exactly what not to do that doesn't make it okay.</p>
<p>I would say that's not cheating, but only if the teacher didn't make any statements that could even possibly, by any stretch of the imagination, be interpreted to discourage/condemn those types of activities. That's not to say I would do it myself, of course. It's morally wrong, even if it's not cheating.</p>
<p>Edit: Also, if the school as a whole bans or makes any statement that could be interpreted as banning that, it's cheating, as well as if the teacher has stated at any point that it is.</p>
<p>It is cheating. Anything done to gain advantage over others through dishonest means constitutes cheating.</p>
<p>Why does it matter? It may not get you thrown out of your high school, but you can bet colleges (at least the good ones) will not bat an eyelash about expulsion. There is no place for cheating in academia.</p>
<p>My physics teacher encouraged us to do this
the whole class would basically not finish tests
then work on it the next day
He liked the idea because he said that we are taking initiatiev to figure out how to work the problems. And that we'll have to have work anyway</p>
<p>still, people would do nothing and fail
others would take initiative and do well.
and in the same sense, understand it better</p>
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<p>Actually, there's quite a bit of cheating, even in good colleges.</p>
<p>That is cheating. Just because Honor Codes are blatantly disregarded doesn't mean that they don't exist.</p>
<p>And in reference to "hypocrites" who follow the honor code because they aren't as intelligent as those who don't ... great argument. I'm sure it'll work wonders in college when you get dismissed for such behavior.</p>
<p>not cheating unless the teacher told you not to study.</p>
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<p>Actually, there's quite a bit of cheating, even in good colleges.
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<p>Still, that doesn't make it right.</p>
<p>"What is left when integrity is lost?"</p>
<p>it's only unfair if many people left having hurried to finish the test before being told there was more time.</p>
<p>having a multi-hour break in the middle of the test seems like looking for answers would be somewhat expected.</p>
<p>A lot of you guys need to get over yourselves. Both sides of the argument included.</p>
<p>The teacher didn't say anything and it's not like it was laid out that the kids were under "testing conditions" through the rest of the day. Questionable? Yes. Cheating? No.</p>
<p>no, because the teacher really shouldn't have doen that anyways. but if she did, there's no rule saying a studnet can't do anything between the times. in fact, everyone will probably be studying, so if you want to be a goody and refuse to study, then all youll be doing is suffering from being "morally correct." besides, if anyone actually follows the honor system outside of schooll, you will find that life will be very unfair sometimes</p>
<p>even if the teacher said not to do it, anything u do outside of class can't be cheating....they only have control of what u do in the classroom....it's the teacher's fault for scheduling the test poorly</p>
<p>In my school basically if it's a final or something an important test you can just stay and finish it (we have finals every alternate period, the rest the next day) if they allow it. There is no coming back at the end of the day to prevent this. Now some regular tests teachers give us 2 days if we don't finish. Sometimes I have looked up answers, but most of the time I only specifically remember 2 or 3 questions. Because you never know if you will get 2 days and so I focus too much on trying to finish than memorizing the hard questions</p>
<p>lol in that case it's a good skill to remember those questions =)</p>
<p>Oh yea. I can never remember those questions, but now the questions I had issues with on my PreCalc Final: 17,25,26. And I could tell you each of those questions. <em>sighs</em></p>
<p>gotta love how random memory can be!</p>