<p>"Why can't all pro-abortion people use methods to keep from getting themselves pregnant?"</p>
<p>No method is perfect. What about rape?</p>
<p>first off, I'm a conservative and if whoever calls conservatives "conservative filth" has to be an angry, raging liberal. I'm actually laughing at that phrase because whenever uneducated people who declare themselves as liberal or Dem are challenged, they can only resort to namecalling and not present any facts. To whoever said that, please stop watching The Colbert Report and The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, and watch REAL POLITICS like CSPAN. </p>
<p>I'm against abortion (unless a woman was forced to have sex against her will) based on personal beliefs and I think you should read the process of what happens very closely. It's pretty heartbreaking actually. I think too many young people believe these days that "oh I'm going to have sex and if I get pregnant, oh well, I'll just get an abortion." Even Roe (I forgot her real name, regrets bringing up Roe v. Wade and she's also antiabortion now)</p>
<p>So your solution for preventing people living in slums because of irresponsible parents is to kill them? I don't understand your justification for that, so can you please elaborate on that?</p>
<p>These are just my opinions and I don't want anyone attacking me for my pro-life views. Of course, everyone has their own different views on abortion based on religion, personal experience, logical reasoning, etc. so I know that I will face heavy opposition.</p>
<p>I am democrat-socialist, I am pro-choice and against the death penalty. Personally, I find most pro-life are propaganda using extremists, not all but most. Also, pro-choice people don't go around shooting abortion doctors and bombing abortion clinics like pro life people do.</p>
<p>Why can't all pro-abortion people use methods to keep from getting themselves pregnant?</p>
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<p>Because conservatives push abstinence only health education so kids dont learn how to properly have safe sex.</p>
<p>duh.</p>
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Why can't all pro-abortion people use methods to keep from getting themselves pregnant?
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<p>You're assuming that</p>
<p>1) everyone is intelligent/in their right mind/ enough to take those steps in the first place and that</p>
<p>2) Those methods are fullproof. All to often, the condom breaks, you find yousrself in that 1% whose hormonal birth control failed, etc. It happens.</p>
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Pro-life and pro-choice aren't mutually exclusive. I am pro-life. However, I am not wise enough to tell others what to do. As such, from a legal standpoint, I have no alternative but to be pro-choice. Ironically, I am also pro-death penalty. However, the crime must be horrific and there can be no doubt as to the guilt of the defendent.
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We do have laws that prevent people from murdering each other...</p>
<p>I am not sure I understand what you mean by that Mr. Payne.</p>
<p>Anybody here support Roe V. Wade for Men?</p>
<p>Basically, It's the idea that since women get a right to choose whether or not they want to have the baby, that men should be able to choose whether or not they want to pay child support for the baby should the woman choose to have it.</p>
<p>Personally, I think its a good idea. Granted, as was the case with Roe V Wade, its children who are, in the end, going to get shafted (no pun intended), but at least this balances things out between the sexes, and it might make some women step back and take a look at what both versions of Roe V. Wade are doing to our nation's children.</p>
<p>i don't like legislating morality, but people who claim to be "pro-choice" actually have to advocate <em>choice</em>. if a woman chooses to go through with an unwanted pregnancy, pro-choicers should support programs that help out those disadvantaged mothers deal with their situation. i can't really support pro-choice if pro-choice basically means "shut up and have an abortion;" that seems just as value-laden as the pro-life dogma that "all life is sacred."</p>
<p>Most truly pro-choice individuals do fully support any choice a woman makes. That's why Planned Parenthood clinics offer information about adoption, etc. (Even in states where it isn't mandated by law.) Pro-choice shouldn't mean "shut up and have the abortion"; it means that a woman should be fully supported in whatever choice she makes -- and that includes abortion.</p>
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I am not sure I understand what you mean by that Mr. Payne.
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If you are pro-life then you pretty much believe that the fetus is a live human being (at least I've never seen any compelling argument otherwise). So unless you think a guiltless human being can be killed (ie: murdered, as the situation implies) you are pretty much stuck with a pro-life argument. My point was that we arrest, prosecute, and punish murderers all the time, so laws certainly are enacted that prevent people from having "choice".</p>
<p>I'm a liberal (NOT democrat, actually I associate myself with libertarian/green parties) who is pro-choice an anti-death penalty. I also support requiring all motor vehicles (that have 4+ wheels, for fewer than 4 wheels, 75mpg) to have a gas mileage of 50mpg or above (CITY) in 5 years simply because I KNOW WE CAN DO IT, and if we don't do this like now, we'll do irreparable harm to the environment.</p>
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I also support requiring all motor vehicles (that have 4+ wheels, for fewer than 4 wheels, 75mpg) to have a gas mileage of 50mpg or above (CITY) in 5 years simply because I KNOW WE CAN DO IT, and if we don't do this like now, we'll do irreparable harm to the environment.
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That is the most unlibertarian thing I've ever heard.</p>
<p>Oh well...I won't associate myself with any party then...I'll just be simply liberal...(except for when it comes to car/oil companies...they're destroying the very air I breathe in coughhummercoughcoughGMcough)</p>
<p>SO yeah....make all cars either E85/biodiesel/vegetable oil compatible, electrically powered, or get 50+miles per gallon of gas (in like real driving conditions). And yes, that goes for any motor vehicle (i.e. anything that has wheels and an engine, except for aircraft...the technology is just not there yet)</p>
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So your solution for preventing people living in slums because of irresponsible parents is to kill them? I don't understand your justification for that, so can you please elaborate on that?
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<p>your question highlights an unreconciliable difference between the vast majority of pro-lifers and pro-choicers; pro-choicers believe that a fetus (depending on the stage) is not a person, and therefore we are not killing a person. Pro-lifers believe that a fetus (depending on the stage, again) IS a person, and that by performing an abortion you are effectively ending somebody's life.</p>
<p>Taking the pro-choice position, we would not be killing a person who would otherwise live in the slums, but instead preventing a further degradation in the quality of life of the parents; in other words, the quality of life of the people already alive is more important than that of the "potential" people.</p>
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Oh well...I won't associate myself with any party then...I'll just be simply liberal...(except for when it comes to car/oil companies...they're destroying the very air I breathe in coughhummercoughcoughGMcough)</p>
<p>SO yeah....make all cars either E85/biodiesel/vegetable oil compatible, electrically powered, or get 50+miles per gallon of gas (in like real driving conditions). And yes, that goes for any motor vehicle (i.e. anything that has wheels and an engine, except for aircraft...the technology is just not there yet)
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You don't have a clue about what you are talking about, obviously.</p>
<p>Of course!!! Let's burn all the petroleum in the world in an unsustainable fashion and melt all the icebergs in the antarctic and the arctic so that Denver has oceanfront property!!!! Yeah right....</p>
<p>Obviously I don't believe in everything the libertarians believe in, neither do I believe in everything the green party believes in. I'm liberal, that's it. I have no particular party association.</p>
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Of course!!! Let's burn all the petroleum in the world in an unsustainable fashion and melt all the icebergs in the antarctic and the arctic so that Denver has oceanfront property!!!! Yeah right....
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Umm, because that's what I said. Please, you are making yourself look even more ridiculous.</p>
<p>I don't think men should be allowed to even argue the abortion issue.</p>
<p>They can simply leave, and it happens often.</p>
<p>Would I get an abortion? Probably not. But would I attempt to control another woman's body? Certainly not. It's not right to condemn someone whe you don't know her entire story. In addition, the alternative to legal abortions is scary and worse than the current conditions. Stipulations such as "IF she has been raped" are too blurry. </p>
<p>Maybe we should instead teach real sex education to prevent unplanned pregnancies..but maybe it's just too sinful to even consider the fact that premarital sex exists.</p>
<p>Why would you not get an abortion?</p>